1 00:00:07,030 --> 00:00:05,390 welcome to this post landing news 2 00:00:09,110 --> 00:00:07,040 conference or space shuttle Atlantis is 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:09,120 sts-132 mission to the International 4 00:00:12,890 --> 00:00:11,490 Space Station joining us here at NASA's 5 00:00:14,299 --> 00:00:12,900 Kennedy Space Center are three NASA 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:14,309 managers who will give us the latest on 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:16,770 Atlantis is 12-day mission and following 8 00:00:20,420 --> 00:00:17,970 this morning's landing here in Florida 9 00:00:22,550 --> 00:00:20,430 first we have NASA's associate 10 00:00:26,060 --> 00:00:22,560 administrator for Space Operations bill 11 00:00:28,070 --> 00:00:26,070 Gerstenmaier good morning tis left is 12 00:00:31,279 --> 00:00:28,080 space shuttle launch integration manager 13 00:00:32,569 --> 00:00:31,289 Mike Moses morning and finally we have 14 00:00:35,630 --> 00:00:32,579 the shuttle launch director mike 15 00:00:37,100 --> 00:00:35,640 leimbach good morning we'll start with 16 00:00:39,049 --> 00:00:37,110 comments and then opened up the 17 00:00:42,590 --> 00:00:39,059 questions for tomorrow thanks Howard 18 00:00:44,990 --> 00:00:42,600 it's great to be here again I can't say 19 00:00:46,490 --> 00:00:45,000 how great the overall shuttle station 20 00:00:49,610 --> 00:00:46,500 team really performed during this 21 00:00:51,260 --> 00:00:49,620 mission you know it looked easy on the 22 00:00:53,330 --> 00:00:51,270 outside but I can tell you the 23 00:00:56,090 --> 00:00:53,340 behind-the-scenes work was very intense 24 00:00:58,970 --> 00:00:56,100 the teams were focused they just did a 25 00:01:00,110 --> 00:00:58,980 super job they had a great attitude they 26 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:00,120 even had a little sense of humor 27 00:01:03,799 --> 00:01:01,170 throughout the mission which was 28 00:01:05,299 --> 00:01:03,809 excellent and it worked out just really 29 00:01:07,550 --> 00:01:05,309 well the vehicle on the runway looked 30 00:01:09,980 --> 00:01:07,560 really really clean you know it's hard 31 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:09,990 to tell when you look underneath exactly 32 00:01:13,460 --> 00:01:11,490 what you you know if you see any small 33 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:13,470 nicks and things but it looked as 34 00:01:16,789 --> 00:01:15,210 probably as clean as I've seen any of 35 00:01:18,649 --> 00:01:16,799 the shuttle vehicles we've had and 36 00:01:21,020 --> 00:01:18,659 things look really good we had a little 37 00:01:22,340 --> 00:01:21,030 gap filler that popped out we got some 38 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:22,350 images of that which will be good 39 00:01:25,609 --> 00:01:24,090 boundary layer transition data for us 40 00:01:28,010 --> 00:01:25,619 and that's that's very important so 41 00:01:30,050 --> 00:01:28,020 again I want to really take my hat off 42 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:30,060 to the teams that have just done a 43 00:01:34,249 --> 00:01:31,650 tremendous job of getting the vehicle 44 00:01:35,810 --> 00:01:34,259 ready to go fly and then the execution 45 00:01:37,550 --> 00:01:35,820 on orbit was just phenomenal and it's 46 00:01:39,740 --> 00:01:37,560 not only the teams here but it's also 47 00:01:41,539 --> 00:01:39,750 the teams in Russia that built a pretty 48 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:41,549 nice module the things I talked to you 49 00:01:45,020 --> 00:01:43,170 about it to pre launch conference where 50 00:01:46,789 --> 00:01:45,030 I was a little concerned about some of 51 00:01:49,789 --> 00:01:46,799 the arm activities and using and 52 00:01:51,380 --> 00:01:49,799 birthing the new mrm one module to the 53 00:01:53,569 --> 00:01:51,390 space station that all worked out 54 00:01:54,889 --> 00:01:53,579 tremendously smooth and that's really a 55 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:54,899 tribute to those teams that did a 56 00:01:59,660 --> 00:01:57,090 tremendous amount of testing in Moscow 57 00:02:01,999 --> 00:01:59,670 in the u.s. so again my hat's off to the 58 00:02:03,859 --> 00:02:02,009 team they make it look easy I can tell 59 00:02:05,510 --> 00:02:03,869 you it wasn't easy and they deserve a 60 00:02:08,690 --> 00:02:05,520 lot of praise and congratulations for 61 00:02:10,339 --> 00:02:08,700 what they've done thanks Mike yeah I 62 00:02:12,890 --> 00:02:10,349 can't I can't echo much more than that 63 00:02:13,809 --> 00:02:12,900 it really was an amazing mission we were 64 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:13,819 joking on the way over 65 00:02:17,589 --> 00:02:16,010 or that it's getting to be rhetoric now 66 00:02:19,179 --> 00:02:17,599 that we tell you that the vehicle that 67 00:02:21,039 --> 00:02:19,189 we just saw is one of the cleanest we've 68 00:02:22,539 --> 00:02:21,049 ever seen but that's actually the truth 69 00:02:25,780 --> 00:02:22,549 that each one is just getting better and 70 00:02:27,129 --> 00:02:25,790 better it's a real testament to the to 71 00:02:28,390 --> 00:02:27,139 the folks that went through and all the 72 00:02:31,059 --> 00:02:28,400 redesign work that happened after 73 00:02:32,699 --> 00:02:31,069 Columbia to really to really take care 74 00:02:34,869 --> 00:02:32,709 of the external tank and effectively 75 00:02:37,179 --> 00:02:34,879 eliminate foam shedding that can cause 76 00:02:38,770 --> 00:02:37,189 damage that we're concerned about and 77 00:02:40,119 --> 00:02:38,780 there's still a little bit of popcorn 78 00:02:41,920 --> 00:02:40,129 that happens that we know about you 79 00:02:43,780 --> 00:02:41,930 could see some of those marks on the 80 00:02:46,750 --> 00:02:43,790 vehicle but nothing at all in the realm 81 00:02:48,819 --> 00:02:46,760 of anything we are concerned with so 82 00:02:50,140 --> 00:02:48,829 again a real testament to the to the 83 00:02:51,550 --> 00:02:50,150 teams here at Kennedy who put the 84 00:02:53,349 --> 00:02:51,560 vehicle together the launch team who 85 00:02:54,580 --> 00:02:53,359 gets it into orbit the folks back at 86 00:02:56,979 --> 00:02:54,590 Johnson who planned out the mission 87 00:02:59,020 --> 00:02:56,989 executed train the crew the crews that 88 00:03:01,059 --> 00:02:59,030 executed and our Marshall propulsion 89 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:01,069 elements really do rise to the occasion 90 00:03:05,770 --> 00:03:03,370 and they're kind of the unsung heroes of 91 00:03:08,500 --> 00:03:05,780 getting us into orbit and letting us 92 00:03:10,689 --> 00:03:08,510 again focus on the mission and get the 93 00:03:12,459 --> 00:03:10,699 get the job done at the station as bill 94 00:03:14,709 --> 00:03:12,469 said the Russians build a very nice 95 00:03:17,470 --> 00:03:14,719 payload with the mrm module looking 96 00:03:19,030 --> 00:03:17,480 forward to having that activated and and 97 00:03:20,710 --> 00:03:19,040 then we also talked a little bit about 98 00:03:22,030 --> 00:03:20,720 the gap filler that stuck out it 99 00:03:24,039 --> 00:03:22,040 protruded I forget the actual heights 100 00:03:26,009 --> 00:03:24,049 but it was pretty small but we had the 101 00:03:29,429 --> 00:03:26,019 folks from Langley Research Center 102 00:03:31,780 --> 00:03:29,439 supporting us with the high thermit 103 00:03:33,939 --> 00:03:31,790 basically has some thermal imaging 104 00:03:35,649 --> 00:03:33,949 cameras on it that kind of fly along the 105 00:03:37,059 --> 00:03:35,659 flight path and try to catch a shot of 106 00:03:39,729 --> 00:03:37,069 the shuttle as it as it comes through 107 00:03:40,869 --> 00:03:39,739 the atmosphere and up at about Mach 20 108 00:03:44,319 --> 00:03:40,879 or so when they got some good imagery 109 00:03:46,899 --> 00:03:44,329 you know we did that on ov 103 discovery 110 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:46,909 has a tile that we intentionally have a 111 00:03:50,530 --> 00:03:48,530 bump on it to trip that boundary layer 112 00:03:51,909 --> 00:03:50,540 as a research project so this gap filler 113 00:03:54,249 --> 00:03:51,919 kind of sort of the same purpose as an 114 00:03:55,749 --> 00:03:54,259 unintentional chance to gather some more 115 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:55,759 data we were fortunate to have that 116 00:03:59,439 --> 00:03:58,250 aircraft ready to go and image image the 117 00:04:01,059 --> 00:03:59,449 vehicle and they did capture good data 118 00:04:03,249 --> 00:04:01,069 so that's you know unique research 119 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:03,259 environment not many aircraft flight 120 00:04:07,089 --> 00:04:05,810 Mach 20 through the atmosphere so so the 121 00:04:10,209 --> 00:04:07,099 shuttle provides a unique chance to 122 00:04:11,499 --> 00:04:10,219 gather that data and then you could 123 00:04:12,849 --> 00:04:11,509 stretch back just beyond this mission so 124 00:04:14,979 --> 00:04:12,859 not only is this mission fantastic but 125 00:04:16,629 --> 00:04:14,989 the entire life of Atlantis the folks 126 00:04:17,979 --> 00:04:16,639 have built it to all the missions it's 127 00:04:21,069 --> 00:04:17,989 flown over its career have been just 128 00:04:23,290 --> 00:04:21,079 amazing and so so I can't I can't even 129 00:04:25,269 --> 00:04:23,300 begin to talk about how proud I element 130 00:04:26,660 --> 00:04:25,279 of Atlantis and the whole team that put 131 00:04:28,190 --> 00:04:26,670 it together so 132 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:28,200 from a program standpoint we didn't 133 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:29,250 really have anything to talk about today 134 00:04:33,170 --> 00:04:31,050 and landing the weather was was just 135 00:04:34,580 --> 00:04:33,180 perfect you know we kind of talked it 136 00:04:35,810 --> 00:04:34,590 this storm out in the Atlantic was 137 00:04:37,310 --> 00:04:35,820 either going to give us a big band of 138 00:04:39,410 --> 00:04:37,320 clouds and showers that we talked about 139 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:39,420 forever or there'd be a nice opening we 140 00:04:42,020 --> 00:04:40,410 didn't really need to worry about it 141 00:04:43,850 --> 00:04:42,030 that's what we got today it was a nice 142 00:04:45,950 --> 00:04:43,860 little opening to not worry about so we 143 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:45,960 were really happy there to not only 144 00:04:49,280 --> 00:04:47,130 launched on time but laying on time 145 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:49,290 that's that's a fun thing to do so with 146 00:04:53,390 --> 00:04:51,090 that I'll turn over one okay well thanks 147 00:04:54,620 --> 00:04:53,400 Mike as bill and Mike said the vehicle 148 00:04:56,780 --> 00:04:54,630 looks really really good really really 149 00:04:59,210 --> 00:04:56,790 good at on the runway saw just a couple 150 00:05:00,920 --> 00:04:59,220 little dings it will get a good close 151 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:00,930 inspection of those areas this afternoon 152 00:05:04,700 --> 00:05:03,210 when we get back into the OPF we should 153 00:05:07,610 --> 00:05:04,710 get towing underway in the next three or 154 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:07,620 four hours or so and get back into the 155 00:05:11,510 --> 00:05:09,330 OPF and start the processing for launch 156 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:11,520 on need mission the team has got the 157 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:12,810 plan i'll put together for that will 158 00:05:17,390 --> 00:05:15,210 start executing that tonight and that 159 00:05:18,740 --> 00:05:17,400 will go extremely well and we'll see 160 00:05:21,710 --> 00:05:18,750 where the where that takes us over the 161 00:05:23,180 --> 00:05:21,720 next couple of months i'm always amazed 162 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:23,190 by the sight of the orbiter on the 163 00:05:26,090 --> 00:05:24,930 runway it's one of the best things we 164 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:26,100 get to do here at the Kennedy Space 165 00:05:30,470 --> 00:05:28,530 Center is go walk around the orbiter 166 00:05:32,630 --> 00:05:30,480 talk to the crew when they get off talk 167 00:05:34,250 --> 00:05:32,640 to the ground crews the process and turn 168 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:34,260 the vehicle around it's just an amazing 169 00:05:39,500 --> 00:05:36,810 machine it's it's a it's a testament to 170 00:05:41,660 --> 00:05:39,510 America's prowess and space that we're 171 00:05:43,190 --> 00:05:41,670 able to reuse the spacecraft over and 172 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:43,200 over and it's just a beautiful machine 173 00:05:48,170 --> 00:05:45,450 to see on the runway and we got to see 174 00:05:50,300 --> 00:05:48,180 it up close and personal again today I'm 175 00:05:52,250 --> 00:05:50,310 going to hate to see that go away but 176 00:05:54,470 --> 00:05:52,260 today we got to see her up close and 177 00:05:56,270 --> 00:05:54,480 Atlantis is beautiful and we'll start 178 00:05:59,480 --> 00:05:56,280 the processing for LN this evening 179 00:06:01,310 --> 00:05:59,490 Thanks well now it up to questions 180 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:01,320 please wait for the microphone please 181 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:02,730 when you get it say your name news 182 00:06:05,780 --> 00:06:04,410 affiliation and to whom you like to ask 183 00:06:06,830 --> 00:06:05,790 if your question answer will start on 184 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:06,840 this side over here in the work our way 185 00:06:14,230 --> 00:06:11,090 down so with 70 yes it's definitely 186 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:14,240 Seneca Doane for right at least eight 187 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:18,570 television I have a unlike my questions 188 00:06:29,930 --> 00:06:24,210 usually a long one this time for any for 189 00:06:31,730 --> 00:06:29,940 anyone mr. Gerstenmaier or I was I think 190 00:06:33,110 --> 00:06:31,740 today was you know looking at the past 191 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:33,120 in the future for the space program 192 00:06:38,510 --> 00:06:35,850 because Atlantis is down possibly 193 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:38,520 forever you make it sound almost like is 194 00:06:43,710 --> 00:06:40,330 going to fly again by 195 00:06:46,950 --> 00:06:43,720 you know how good it looks other ships 196 00:06:51,390 --> 00:06:46,960 will follow assume and the space station 197 00:06:53,399 --> 00:06:51,400 is built now I remember when the shuttle 198 00:06:56,100 --> 00:06:53,409 program started there were officials 199 00:06:58,050 --> 00:06:56,110 that were saying that the vehicle 200 00:07:00,689 --> 00:06:58,060 actually could be used to launch 201 00:07:02,730 --> 00:07:00,699 components to be assembled in orbit to 202 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:02,740 build spacecraft that would leave Earth 203 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:04,810 orbit to carry astronauts to other 204 00:07:13,830 --> 00:07:10,090 celestial bodies etc I realized that the 205 00:07:18,209 --> 00:07:13,840 ships are old and they don't have an 206 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:18,219 escape system I was wondering if the 207 00:07:23,939 --> 00:07:20,530 shuttle had an escape system if you 208 00:07:27,089 --> 00:07:23,949 could turn that cabin into a cabin that 209 00:07:30,390 --> 00:07:27,099 can be expelled in case of a launch 210 00:07:33,980 --> 00:07:30,400 disaster or in other any other point in 211 00:07:36,839 --> 00:07:33,990 the flight wouldn't be this the 212 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:36,849 reasonable economical way to go instead 213 00:07:43,830 --> 00:07:38,650 of just retiring everything and waiting 214 00:07:45,300 --> 00:07:43,840 for we don't know what thank you well 215 00:07:48,180 --> 00:07:45,310 let's see i guess i can take a crack at 216 00:07:50,879 --> 00:07:48,190 it down and it really comes down to the 217 00:07:52,499 --> 00:07:50,889 the budget that you have and from a 218 00:07:54,779 --> 00:07:52,509 technical standpoint you could make any 219 00:07:57,450 --> 00:07:54,789 launch system work you could go retrofit 220 00:07:59,399 --> 00:07:57,460 the shuttle to give it an escape system 221 00:08:02,189 --> 00:07:59,409 doing so in the existing architecture 222 00:08:04,439 --> 00:08:02,199 would would take a significant chunk of 223 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:04,449 its payload capability in terms of the 224 00:08:08,100 --> 00:08:06,370 mass it can lift to orbit the fact that 225 00:08:09,300 --> 00:08:08,110 it's a reusable spacecraft means we take 226 00:08:12,329 --> 00:08:09,310 a lot of mass up and then back down 227 00:08:14,610 --> 00:08:12,339 again and so so from that standpoint if 228 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:14,620 your purpose is to just purely put mass 229 00:08:19,079 --> 00:08:16,930 into low-earth orbit the fact that you 230 00:08:20,820 --> 00:08:19,089 use a reusable craft for it you pay a 231 00:08:23,159 --> 00:08:20,830 cost you then hopefully gain that back 232 00:08:25,469 --> 00:08:23,169 in a life cycle cost that is a cheaper 233 00:08:26,879 --> 00:08:25,479 thing to operate so that really is the 234 00:08:29,399 --> 00:08:26,889 trade space you end up looking at it's 235 00:08:31,050 --> 00:08:29,409 it's not only the the design and initial 236 00:08:32,639 --> 00:08:31,060 setup costs that construct it's the life 237 00:08:34,469 --> 00:08:32,649 cycle cost to maintain and operate and 238 00:08:36,300 --> 00:08:34,479 then it really comes to the architecture 239 00:08:37,469 --> 00:08:36,310 for the purpose of the mission you want 240 00:08:39,959 --> 00:08:37,479 for the building of the space station 241 00:08:42,630 --> 00:08:39,969 the shuttle was the ideal truck to haul 242 00:08:44,219 --> 00:08:42,640 those components into orbit you could do 243 00:08:46,259 --> 00:08:44,229 the same thing and built an in 244 00:08:48,569 --> 00:08:46,269 spacecraft that then transfers itself 245 00:08:50,430 --> 00:08:48,579 over to the Moon or Mars certainly 246 00:08:52,079 --> 00:08:50,440 that's all doable it's just what 247 00:08:53,420 --> 00:08:52,089 architecture do you want and what's the 248 00:08:55,310 --> 00:08:53,430 best way to get there 249 00:08:57,470 --> 00:08:55,320 if you run all those trades and you do 250 00:08:59,780 --> 00:08:57,480 all the math and you do the science the 251 00:09:02,030 --> 00:08:59,790 shuttle as a carrier heavy lift 252 00:09:03,950 --> 00:09:02,040 capability doesn't necessarily lend 253 00:09:05,660 --> 00:09:03,960 itself to be the most economical or the 254 00:09:07,190 --> 00:09:05,670 most feasible there are other ways to go 255 00:09:08,810 --> 00:09:07,200 but then again you have to trade the the 256 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:08,820 design costs and then there are the 257 00:09:12,769 --> 00:09:10,290 intangibles that we'd like to talk about 258 00:09:15,139 --> 00:09:12,779 too is just the the familiarity the 259 00:09:17,900 --> 00:09:15,149 system that known the node hardware you 260 00:09:19,970 --> 00:09:17,910 talked about the you said the vehicles 261 00:09:21,740 --> 00:09:19,980 are old yet true they are 30 years old 262 00:09:24,079 --> 00:09:21,750 but they're not old at all they they're 263 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:24,089 in fantastic shape they fly perfectly 264 00:09:28,940 --> 00:09:26,490 and and they do exactly what we would 265 00:09:30,470 --> 00:09:28,950 mean them to we just don't have the 266 00:09:32,750 --> 00:09:30,480 budget to continue to keep doing that 267 00:09:34,430 --> 00:09:32,760 plus more Plus expand beyond low-earth 268 00:09:36,170 --> 00:09:34,440 orbit so at some point you just have to 269 00:09:39,410 --> 00:09:36,180 balance your book and decide what to do 270 00:09:41,540 --> 00:09:39,420 next ideally I think yeah we would have 271 00:09:43,130 --> 00:09:41,550 all loved to have kept flying shuttle 272 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:43,140 while we set up the new system and we 273 00:09:46,190 --> 00:09:44,370 just transition from one right to the 274 00:09:47,630 --> 00:09:46,200 other and move on nice and and smoothly 275 00:09:49,970 --> 00:09:47,640 we just don't have the budget to do that 276 00:09:52,180 --> 00:09:49,980 and that's the reality of the world we 277 00:09:56,389 --> 00:09:52,190 live in I don't know if you guys want to 278 00:09:58,880 --> 00:09:56,399 chime in on that or not I saw an 279 00:10:01,340 --> 00:09:58,890 alternate escape system that was being 280 00:10:04,100 --> 00:10:01,350 either tested or they were preparing 281 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:04,110 tests which instead of having it launch 282 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:06,930 escape tower would have the Rockets 283 00:10:10,790 --> 00:10:08,970 underneath and would remove the capsule 284 00:10:13,490 --> 00:10:10,800 from the top of a rocket I was wondering 285 00:10:16,430 --> 00:10:13,500 if that could be applied to the shuttle 286 00:10:20,690 --> 00:10:16,440 cabin and without the head and you know 287 00:10:24,199 --> 00:10:20,700 a lot of i don't know i should say but 288 00:10:27,079 --> 00:10:24,209 without affecting too much the payload 289 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:27,089 capability looked at it in the past we 290 00:10:30,680 --> 00:10:29,250 looked at adding remember in the 90s we 291 00:10:32,990 --> 00:10:30,690 looked pretty extensively at adding an 292 00:10:34,910 --> 00:10:33,000 escape capability to the orbiter and it 293 00:10:36,260 --> 00:10:34,920 was pretty invasive from an overall 294 00:10:38,390 --> 00:10:36,270 standpoint it required a lot of 295 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:38,400 modifications to the crew compartment it 296 00:10:41,990 --> 00:10:40,410 required the extractor rockets or pusher 297 00:10:44,900 --> 00:10:42,000 rockets to be there it had some 298 00:10:47,329 --> 00:10:44,910 separation planes it was a tremendous 299 00:10:49,220 --> 00:10:47,339 amount of work to modify the vehicle and 300 00:10:51,290 --> 00:10:49,230 then it was going to do what Mike talked 301 00:10:53,569 --> 00:10:51,300 about it actually impacted dramatically 302 00:10:55,610 --> 00:10:53,579 that the car going care and capability 303 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:55,620 which wouldn't allowed us at that point 304 00:10:58,880 --> 00:10:56,850 if we would have done it to build space 305 00:11:00,920 --> 00:10:58,890 station because we truly needed all the 306 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:00,930 cargo capability to get station built 307 00:11:04,420 --> 00:11:02,490 with the large modules be carried so 308 00:11:06,769 --> 00:11:04,430 when we looked at it then it was 309 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:06,779 extensive amount of cost a lot of 310 00:11:10,150 --> 00:11:07,370 redesign 311 00:11:12,519 --> 00:11:10,160 lots of analysis and then you ended up 312 00:11:15,250 --> 00:11:12,529 with a vehicle that really lost a lot of 313 00:11:18,579 --> 00:11:15,260 its payload care carrying capability and 314 00:11:21,579 --> 00:11:18,589 one final and quick question and what 315 00:11:23,050 --> 00:11:21,589 about building a rocket based on the 316 00:11:26,230 --> 00:11:23,060 current architecture instead of 317 00:11:27,790 --> 00:11:26,240 reinventing the wheel from scratch it's 318 00:11:29,530 --> 00:11:27,800 certainly possible and it like i said 319 00:11:31,930 --> 00:11:29,540 that's in the trade space of designs you 320 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:31,940 could you could design a any system you 321 00:11:35,740 --> 00:11:34,250 wanted based on any architecture what 322 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:35,750 propellant you use what size engine use 323 00:11:39,490 --> 00:11:37,250 how big the upper stages how big the 324 00:11:41,950 --> 00:11:39,500 main core stage is whether you solids or 325 00:11:43,540 --> 00:11:41,960 liquids all that can be traded it kind 326 00:11:45,100 --> 00:11:43,550 of it depends on what the variable you 327 00:11:48,610 --> 00:11:45,110 want to optimize for you try to optimize 328 00:11:51,220 --> 00:11:48,620 for design costs lifecycle costs are you 329 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:51,230 trying to design for mass Tullio mass to 330 00:11:55,060 --> 00:11:53,210 the moon it picked the variable you want 331 00:11:57,490 --> 00:11:55,070 and you can you can crank out any answer 332 00:11:59,440 --> 00:11:57,500 you want and so you know the shuttle was 333 00:12:01,780 --> 00:11:59,450 built back when the equation was said 334 00:12:03,850 --> 00:12:01,790 build the the maximum cargo capability 335 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:03,860 you can do a low-earth orbit if you're 336 00:12:07,990 --> 00:12:05,810 going to go back to the moon you saw 337 00:12:10,510 --> 00:12:08,000 with the Ares one Ares 5 type design 338 00:12:13,780 --> 00:12:10,520 that type of mission usually dictates 339 00:12:15,490 --> 00:12:13,790 that you need a higher mass 24 to throw 340 00:12:17,829 --> 00:12:15,500 at the moon so for translunar injection 341 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:17,839 you design a different system but it's 342 00:12:21,070 --> 00:12:19,250 definitely certainly a possible design 343 00:12:22,660 --> 00:12:21,080 that you could use shuttle existing 344 00:12:24,550 --> 00:12:22,670 architecture to go build a heavy lift 345 00:12:26,140 --> 00:12:24,560 vehicle the shuttle itself is a heavy 346 00:12:28,510 --> 00:12:26,150 lift vehicle it's just carrying the 347 00:12:30,430 --> 00:12:28,520 orbiter as most of its payload in your 348 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:30,440 several study teams and exploration that 349 00:12:33,699 --> 00:12:31,850 are looking at those various trades 350 00:12:35,230 --> 00:12:33,709 right now I think there's a request for 351 00:12:36,730 --> 00:12:35,240 information that got sent out to 352 00:12:39,310 --> 00:12:36,740 industry there's some meetings going on 353 00:12:41,380 --> 00:12:39,320 in Galveston I think even today and 354 00:12:42,850 --> 00:12:41,390 tomorrow maybe that are actually 355 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:42,860 starting to look at those trades to 356 00:12:47,500 --> 00:12:45,529 figure out what the overall right next 357 00:12:49,180 --> 00:12:47,510 generation of vehicle we need is and 358 00:12:50,769 --> 00:12:49,190 clearly in that trade space is some 359 00:12:52,060 --> 00:12:50,779 stuff that would use capabilities from 360 00:12:54,460 --> 00:12:52,070 the shuttle things that we've done 361 00:12:55,900 --> 00:12:54,470 processing capability here and we'll try 362 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:55,910 to figure out the right overall system 363 00:13:01,840 --> 00:12:57,410 and get that brought forward to the 364 00:13:03,730 --> 00:13:01,850 state through those trade studies Marcia 365 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:03,740 Dunn Associated Press with two questions 366 00:13:08,110 --> 00:13:06,650 the first or any of the panel if you 367 00:13:09,699 --> 00:13:08,120 were listening to Mission Control as the 368 00:13:10,990 --> 00:13:09,709 shuttle was running down the runway 369 00:13:12,579 --> 00:13:11,000 which maybe you weren't but there was a 370 00:13:14,500 --> 00:13:12,589 real sense of finality with the 371 00:13:16,540 --> 00:13:14,510 commentator going through 25 years 372 00:13:19,780 --> 00:13:16,550 thirty two flights 120 million miles 373 00:13:20,540 --> 00:13:19,790 history books I'm wondering certainly 374 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:20,550 some of you 375 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:22,410 must have been struck with thoughts of 376 00:13:28,910 --> 00:13:26,130 that today as you saw atlantis come home 377 00:13:31,460 --> 00:13:28,920 and i'm just looking for some some words 378 00:13:32,660 --> 00:13:31,470 on that you know i was not listening to 379 00:13:34,310 --> 00:13:32,670 Mission Control as a matter of fact I 380 00:13:36,740 --> 00:13:34,320 was outside watching the landing itself 381 00:13:37,850 --> 00:13:36,750 but but yeah I think we were all struck 382 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:37,860 by the fact that that might have been 383 00:13:41,210 --> 00:13:39,810 the last landing of Atlantis and that's 384 00:13:43,699 --> 00:13:41,220 probably why I mentioned what I did up 385 00:13:45,410 --> 00:13:43,709 front of my in my comments it it's a 386 00:13:48,199 --> 00:13:45,420 very very special thing to see a 387 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:48,209 reusable spacecraft land get turn around 388 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:50,010 launch again land turn around and launch 389 00:13:54,790 --> 00:13:51,930 again and we've been doing this for 30 390 00:13:56,990 --> 00:13:54,800 years and so there's not just a 391 00:13:58,880 --> 00:13:57,000 technical fascination with it an 392 00:14:02,750 --> 00:13:58,890 appreciation for it there is an 393 00:14:04,310 --> 00:14:02,760 emotional tie to it and we all have that 394 00:14:07,460 --> 00:14:04,320 and I think we'd be kidding ourselves if 395 00:14:09,319 --> 00:14:07,470 we deny that but Mike put it exactly 396 00:14:11,900 --> 00:14:09,329 right i mean the budget is what it is 397 00:14:13,550 --> 00:14:11,910 and the next mission will dictate the 398 00:14:16,569 --> 00:14:13,560 architecture of that vehicle whatever 399 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:16,579 that may be i just hope it comes quickly 400 00:14:22,310 --> 00:14:20,730 probably for bill given that the shuttle 401 00:14:24,319 --> 00:14:22,320 program is going to be around a little 402 00:14:26,329 --> 00:14:24,329 bit longer at least toward the end of 403 00:14:28,550 --> 00:14:26,339 the year if not into next when do you 404 00:14:31,300 --> 00:14:28,560 expect to be making decisions on where 405 00:14:33,980 --> 00:14:31,310 the shuttles wind up regarding museums 406 00:14:35,389 --> 00:14:33,990 yeah I think again that decision is 407 00:14:38,810 --> 00:14:35,399 coming probably at the end of june 408 00:14:40,579 --> 00:14:38,820 sometime in july is what we're thinking 409 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:40,589 about and it really hasn't changed too 410 00:14:43,579 --> 00:14:42,450 much well we'll see what happens i mean 411 00:14:45,019 --> 00:14:43,589 first of all the first thing we're doing 412 00:14:46,670 --> 00:14:45,029 is we're going again through the 413 00:14:48,650 --> 00:14:46,680 manifest with the remaining two flights 414 00:14:50,180 --> 00:14:48,660 to figure out how to optimize pick the 415 00:14:52,460 --> 00:14:50,190 right dates and some things there you 416 00:14:54,290 --> 00:14:52,470 know we've got September November plan 417 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:54,300 but we'll go ahead and refine those as 418 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:56,130 we go through look it over all how we 419 00:14:59,720 --> 00:14:57,810 can best put station in the absolute 420 00:15:01,040 --> 00:14:59,730 best configuration see some tweaks if we 421 00:15:02,420 --> 00:15:01,050 got to move some things and try to move 422 00:15:04,730 --> 00:15:02,430 some things around so we'll do that 423 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:04,740 activity first and then the other piece 424 00:15:08,870 --> 00:15:06,690 is the museum kind of piece probably 425 00:15:10,340 --> 00:15:08,880 comes sometime in the middle that after 426 00:15:12,850 --> 00:15:10,350 we've really finalized how we want to 427 00:15:14,750 --> 00:15:12,860 really effectively use these vehicles 428 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:14,760 date for when you're going to look at 429 00:15:19,670 --> 00:15:17,610 the manifest as it remains we don't have 430 00:15:21,290 --> 00:15:19,680 a specific meeting day we'll work 431 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:21,300 through our normal processes through our 432 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:23,250 normal boards and panels what we've told 433 00:15:26,870 --> 00:15:24,930 the team's is if they come we're 434 00:15:28,670 --> 00:15:26,880 processing for September 16th for the 435 00:15:30,260 --> 00:15:28,680 next flight and what we told the team's 436 00:15:31,460 --> 00:15:30,270 if there's any negative work or you're 437 00:15:33,380 --> 00:15:31,470 starting to do things that don't make 438 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:33,390 sense if you know if you're getting a 439 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:34,010 cargo 440 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:35,450 that doesn't really make sense for that 441 00:15:39,190 --> 00:15:36,890 fight and you needed a couple more days 442 00:15:40,750 --> 00:15:39,200 or we ought to go redo the manifest we 443 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:40,760 told those teams to come forward to both 444 00:15:44,020 --> 00:15:42,530 the station and the shuttle program let 445 00:15:45,670 --> 00:15:44,030 them know and at that point we would 446 00:15:47,350 --> 00:15:45,680 convene the right folks together and do 447 00:15:49,180 --> 00:15:47,360 the right thing so so we're kind of 448 00:15:50,860 --> 00:15:49,190 aiming for September 16th but we're 449 00:15:52,150 --> 00:15:50,870 being open to suggestions to see how we 450 00:15:53,830 --> 00:15:52,160 want to optimize things and we're 451 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:53,840 telling folks to be mature and tell us 452 00:15:57,340 --> 00:15:55,130 if they see anything that they want 453 00:15:58,660 --> 00:15:57,350 optimized they want changed and they can 454 00:16:00,340 --> 00:15:58,670 tell us and then we'll go ahead and see 455 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:00,350 what we can do from an overall manifest 456 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:01,850 standpoint to leave station and the 457 00:16:05,530 --> 00:16:03,890 absolute best configuration and take the 458 00:16:07,300 --> 00:16:05,540 absolute best advantage of these 459 00:16:09,190 --> 00:16:07,310 precious resources we have in the 460 00:16:11,710 --> 00:16:09,200 remaining flights I can give you an 461 00:16:13,230 --> 00:16:11,720 example that we just had a meeting last 462 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:13,240 week or this week beginning this week 463 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:15,770 for discovery that just came back from 464 00:16:18,970 --> 00:16:17,450 its last mission you remember one of the 465 00:16:21,130 --> 00:16:18,980 tiles on the rudder speed brake had 466 00:16:23,140 --> 00:16:21,140 cracked and fallen off and they looked 467 00:16:24,610 --> 00:16:23,150 at it and looked at it and it turns out 468 00:16:26,410 --> 00:16:24,620 we have a few of those that crack every 469 00:16:28,090 --> 00:16:26,420 mission and it's the acoustics in the 470 00:16:29,530 --> 00:16:28,100 rotor speed work itself vibrates a 471 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:29,540 little bit sometimes those tile bang 472 00:16:32,710 --> 00:16:31,250 into each other so we sent the teams off 473 00:16:33,820 --> 00:16:32,720 together a whole bunch of data did a 474 00:16:35,170 --> 00:16:33,830 whole bunch of measurements both in the 475 00:16:37,420 --> 00:16:35,180 open in the closed position measured 476 00:16:39,010 --> 00:16:37,430 tolerances do a whole bunch of micro 477 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:39,020 inspections and they came back with a 478 00:16:42,730 --> 00:16:41,330 plan to to do even further detailed 479 00:16:44,530 --> 00:16:42,740 inspections and to shave those tiles 480 00:16:46,930 --> 00:16:44,540 back to the gap that they're supposed to 481 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:46,940 be just to help improve the chances of 482 00:16:51,250 --> 00:16:49,130 cracking tiles or i should say lessen 483 00:16:53,290 --> 00:16:51,260 the chances of cracking a tile we don't 484 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:53,300 want to improve the chances and so they 485 00:16:55,990 --> 00:16:54,650 brought a series of working it was about 486 00:16:57,610 --> 00:16:56,000 forty four tiles and it was going to 487 00:16:59,080 --> 00:16:57,620 take about 45 days and if you look at 488 00:17:02,080 --> 00:16:59,090 the flow remaining to get out the door 489 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:02,090 for a 916 launch that was making them a 490 00:17:05,770 --> 00:17:03,650 little nervous for that amount of tile 491 00:17:07,900 --> 00:17:05,780 work and so we asked the towel team to 492 00:17:09,910 --> 00:17:07,910 go back and prioritize that list in a if 493 00:17:11,020 --> 00:17:09,920 you're going to do it in chunks which is 494 00:17:12,460 --> 00:17:11,030 your high priority what's your second 495 00:17:13,630 --> 00:17:12,470 priority and they did that so we're 496 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:13,640 going to go bite off that first chunk 497 00:17:17,230 --> 00:17:15,770 right now and if we find in June or July 498 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:17,240 that we really do want to move the 499 00:17:19,930 --> 00:17:18,650 manifests we can go grab some more work 500 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:19,940 so that's the kind of thing we've been 501 00:17:22,750 --> 00:17:21,410 setting the teams up to do is kind of as 502 00:17:24,010 --> 00:17:22,760 you're doing some of this work if you 503 00:17:26,050 --> 00:17:24,020 can put it in a priority order that'd be 504 00:17:27,340 --> 00:17:26,060 great and if you do find things that 505 00:17:28,390 --> 00:17:27,350 just make it sound like that's the wrong 506 00:17:32,430 --> 00:17:28,400 thing to do bring that forward to 507 00:17:37,570 --> 00:17:35,920 James Dean from Florida today mr. smarty 508 00:17:40,420 --> 00:17:37,580 talked about wanting to make a decision 509 00:17:42,730 --> 00:17:40,430 by next month on whether or not Atlantis 510 00:17:45,370 --> 00:17:42,740 may in fact fly again can you explain 511 00:17:48,580 --> 00:17:45,380 what is going to change between now and 512 00:17:50,380 --> 00:17:48,590 then to justify adding a flight and and 513 00:17:51,670 --> 00:17:50,390 that cost and specifically I'm wondering 514 00:17:55,290 --> 00:17:51,680 if it's going to take a determination 515 00:17:58,690 --> 00:17:55,300 from you or your program managers that 516 00:18:00,240 --> 00:17:58,700 the station or at least its ability to 517 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:00,250 maintain six crew would be at risk 518 00:18:04,990 --> 00:18:02,810 without getting additional additional 519 00:18:08,110 --> 00:18:05,000 logistics stuff up there because of cots 520 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:08,120 ers turret delays or or what would be 521 00:18:14,830 --> 00:18:11,930 the needed to make that decision and say 522 00:18:16,450 --> 00:18:14,840 we have to do this yeah I think in 523 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:16,460 reality we have probably most of that 524 00:18:20,410 --> 00:18:18,770 data really in front of us now and and 525 00:18:22,330 --> 00:18:20,420 what we're doing is we're presenting 526 00:18:24,310 --> 00:18:22,340 that data to the decision makers and the 527 00:18:26,410 --> 00:18:24,320 managers above us to let them take a 528 00:18:28,450 --> 00:18:26,420 look at that data and weigh it you know 529 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:28,460 there's a cost associated with extending 530 00:18:31,990 --> 00:18:30,410 the shuttle into next year in terms of 531 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:32,000 dollars that have to come from some 532 00:18:36,220 --> 00:18:34,250 programs on place we can show the 533 00:18:38,170 --> 00:18:36,230 benefits that we provide from a you know 534 00:18:39,820 --> 00:18:38,180 workforce transition standpoint that are 535 00:18:41,650 --> 00:18:39,830 real that help us would keep some 536 00:18:44,380 --> 00:18:41,660 critical skills around let us make some 537 00:18:46,420 --> 00:18:44,390 decisions smartly we can show what cargo 538 00:18:48,130 --> 00:18:46,430 we can specifically carry I can show you 539 00:18:50,500 --> 00:18:48,140 exactly how that will benefit the 540 00:18:53,050 --> 00:18:50,510 station in the future it makes things 541 00:18:54,550 --> 00:18:53,060 better but does it make it it's there's 542 00:18:56,740 --> 00:18:54,560 nothing there that says it's mandatory 543 00:18:58,810 --> 00:18:56,750 to go do that if there was we would 544 00:19:00,190 --> 00:18:58,820 bring that forward but it clearly can 545 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:00,200 improve things and put us in a much 546 00:19:03,910 --> 00:19:01,850 better posture so we're kind of putting 547 00:19:06,730 --> 00:19:03,920 all those logical arguments together as 548 00:19:08,140 --> 00:19:06,740 much as we can showing the downsides to 549 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:08,150 folks and in providing it to the 550 00:19:11,950 --> 00:19:09,650 decision makers with the intent that 551 00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:11,960 we'll get some kind of decision and and 552 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:13,760 what's really kind of forcing the 553 00:19:17,740 --> 00:19:15,890 decision for me is it's difficult for is 554 00:19:19,510 --> 00:19:17,750 if we just keep kind of staying in limbo 555 00:19:21,340 --> 00:19:19,520 you know we need to really get some 556 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:21,350 plans in place so people can make some 557 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:22,850 real decisions with what they've got to 558 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:25,130 go do with careers and other things also 559 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:27,890 hardware plans so we can't stay in limbo 560 00:19:31,810 --> 00:19:29,810 forever so we really want to try to get 561 00:19:33,430 --> 00:19:31,820 that decision if we can if we can get it 562 00:19:35,380 --> 00:19:33,440 arrived to in the June timeframe and 563 00:19:36,820 --> 00:19:35,390 that's what we're trying to go do so 564 00:19:39,250 --> 00:19:36,830 there's not going to be it there's not a 565 00:19:41,860 --> 00:19:39,260 big Eureka or a big thing coming forward 566 00:19:43,390 --> 00:19:41,870 that's going to say this is it the data 567 00:19:45,220 --> 00:19:43,400 is there it's pretty it's pretty 568 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:45,230 compelling it needs to be looked at it 569 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:47,090 evaluated but there is the cost and 570 00:19:53,409 --> 00:19:50,410 again it comes down to the funding issue 571 00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:53,419 it is it just a follow up in your 572 00:19:57,970 --> 00:19:55,760 opinion obviously will be better for the 573 00:20:01,020 --> 00:19:57,980 station to get whatever can in your 574 00:20:05,830 --> 00:20:01,030 opinion or anyone else's opinion it is 575 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:05,840 is it necessary to make that flight you 576 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:08,330 know for unless it's just absolutely 577 00:20:13,299 --> 00:20:09,770 impossible there's no chance because in 578 00:20:16,570 --> 00:20:13,309 money is it can you convey kind of on 579 00:20:18,250 --> 00:20:16,580 the scale of you know how important how 580 00:20:20,530 --> 00:20:18,260 much you think is needed there you know 581 00:20:22,210 --> 00:20:20,540 it's a little bit or a lot you know how 582 00:20:27,310 --> 00:20:22,220 much you would like to have that flight 583 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:27,320 if you can get the money yes you know 584 00:20:31,419 --> 00:20:29,090 that's a tough one because like like 585 00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:31,429 curse laid out that you know there's 586 00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:32,480 nothing in there that says it's a 587 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:36,320 mandatory and it's hard to at a certain 588 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:37,610 level you have to look at the downsides 589 00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:40,010 of the cost and the budget and the the 590 00:20:45,039 --> 00:20:43,520 other work and so given the shuttle 591 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:45,049 background that's sitting up here we're 592 00:20:49,299 --> 00:20:46,730 going to say yeah you would like to fly 593 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:49,309 that mission but it does cost the agency 594 00:20:53,140 --> 00:20:51,410 something and that's the hard trade to 595 00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:53,150 make so I don't think we can really go 596 00:20:56,409 --> 00:20:55,280 there because that's not our decision to 597 00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:56,419 make that's like I said we're going to 598 00:20:59,680 --> 00:20:58,250 take that data forward and let the folks 599 00:21:03,310 --> 00:20:59,690 who make those decisions decide if 600 00:21:06,270 --> 00:21:03,320 that's worthy or not I so it's a 601 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:06,280 would-be answer for you James sorry 602 00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:08,450 chris gebhardt with NASA Space Flight 603 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:11,120 com start with an easy one the aircraft 604 00:21:15,700 --> 00:21:13,850 that photographed Atlantis today during 605 00:21:17,700 --> 00:21:15,710 hurry entry were you originally planning 606 00:21:20,140 --> 00:21:17,710 to use that aircraft to photograph her 607 00:21:21,850 --> 00:21:20,150 like his baseline for boundary layer 608 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:21,860 stuff or was it just something that came 609 00:21:24,669 --> 00:21:22,970 up with a gap filler and you had the 610 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:24,679 plane available no we actually had 611 00:21:28,930 --> 00:21:26,450 planned this ahead of time the the cast 612 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:28,940 glance aircraft from from Langley and 613 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:31,490 the high Thornton team was was scheduled 614 00:21:35,919 --> 00:21:34,250 we had we had had some money in the 615 00:21:37,210 --> 00:21:35,929 budget we wanted to definitely keep them 616 00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:37,220 online when we do this boundary layer 617 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:40,400 transition dto and we ended up because 618 00:21:44,770 --> 00:21:42,890 we landed on the first day with 619 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:44,780 discovery on its last mission we had a 620 00:21:48,190 --> 00:21:46,490 little extra money that we had budgeted 621 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:48,200 for that aircraft team that we didn't 622 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:49,970 end up needing when we switched to an 623 00:21:53,649 --> 00:21:51,890 ascending node on our descending notes 624 00:21:55,780 --> 00:21:53,659 rather on the last mission we were able 625 00:21:58,090 --> 00:21:55,790 to deploy ground-based assets in and 626 00:21:58,780 --> 00:21:58,100 which saved us some money and so we 627 00:22:00,580 --> 00:21:58,790 looked at the 628 00:22:01,870 --> 00:22:00,590 the team said hey we can give you 629 00:22:03,670 --> 00:22:01,880 another flight for the money you've 630 00:22:05,500 --> 00:22:03,680 already paid us and so they came online 631 00:22:07,060 --> 00:22:05,510 and we're ready to go today it was just 632 00:22:12,490 --> 00:22:07,070 a coincidence that we had the gap filler 633 00:22:14,170 --> 00:22:12,500 giving them something look at and I 634 00:22:17,980 --> 00:22:14,180 guess not to beat a dead horse here but 635 00:22:19,870 --> 00:22:17,990 a with the 335 potential 135 flight 636 00:22:22,990 --> 00:22:19,880 coming I guess next year I'm just 637 00:22:24,970 --> 00:22:23,000 wondering what the realistic chances are 638 00:22:26,770 --> 00:22:24,980 of Atlantis actually retaining that over 639 00:22:30,670 --> 00:22:26,780 the 135 flight if it becomes a reality 640 00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:30,680 in june of next year given you know some 641 00:22:34,030 --> 00:22:32,480 of the like wing leading edge spar 642 00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:34,040 inspections and stuff that you have to 643 00:22:37,870 --> 00:22:36,080 do on her or that you're planning to do 644 00:22:39,790 --> 00:22:37,880 on her to make sure she's ready to go on 645 00:22:41,950 --> 00:22:39,800 this and just wondering from a technical 646 00:22:43,630 --> 00:22:41,960 standpoint if there are ideas of 647 00:22:46,780 --> 00:22:43,640 proposals out there that say you know if 648 00:22:49,300 --> 00:22:46,790 the 335 and 135 schedule slip a little 649 00:22:51,690 --> 00:22:49,310 further if it makes more sense to switch 650 00:22:54,220 --> 00:22:51,700 that to discovery instead of Atlantis 651 00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:54,230 yeah the teams are balancing all those 652 00:22:57,700 --> 00:22:55,520 trades and looking at all the options 653 00:22:58,930 --> 00:22:57,710 there's in addition to the processing 654 00:23:00,820 --> 00:22:58,940 that has to happen you have to look at 655 00:23:04,450 --> 00:23:00,830 its where it stands in its certification 656 00:23:05,950 --> 00:23:04,460 for time & life cycle where all that 657 00:23:08,860 --> 00:23:05,960 where that falls in the teams here at 658 00:23:10,420 --> 00:23:08,870 Kennedy and basically there's about as 659 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:10,430 many options as you even though there's 660 00:23:14,620 --> 00:23:12,650 only two flights left and one launch on 661 00:23:16,270 --> 00:23:14,630 me there's there's about 15 options as 662 00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:16,280 to how you could lay all that out and 663 00:23:18,790 --> 00:23:17,840 again you count it just like we were 664 00:23:20,530 --> 00:23:18,800 talking about with the how you pick a 665 00:23:21,580 --> 00:23:20,540 launch vehicle architecture you kind of 666 00:23:24,010 --> 00:23:21,590 have to pick the variable you want to 667 00:23:25,810 --> 00:23:24,020 optimize on you know if folks have been 668 00:23:27,460 --> 00:23:25,820 thrown out that well if you're going to 669 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:27,470 go back you want to spits vehicle so you 670 00:23:31,660 --> 00:23:30,050 get a long life time on station well we 671 00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:31,670 just flew a mission here with Atlantis 672 00:23:34,510 --> 00:23:32,960 without that capability it was a 673 00:23:36,190 --> 00:23:34,520 perfectly acceptable mission of three VA 674 00:23:37,060 --> 00:23:36,200 he's got everything done it needed to so 675 00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:37,070 it kind of all depends on what the 676 00:23:39,940 --> 00:23:38,960 content of that mission is so once we 677 00:23:42,130 --> 00:23:39,950 kind of get a little more definition 678 00:23:43,390 --> 00:23:42,140 will be able to then lock in some of 679 00:23:45,250 --> 00:23:43,400 those variables and start making 680 00:23:46,540 --> 00:23:45,260 decisions it's kind of exactly what Bill 681 00:23:48,370 --> 00:23:46,550 was talking about week we don't want to 682 00:23:49,660 --> 00:23:48,380 let it go too much longer because at 683 00:23:52,690 --> 00:23:49,670 some point we do have to tie some of 684 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:52,700 those down and start deciding you know I 685 00:23:56,650 --> 00:23:54,770 think I'd add that it's really important 686 00:23:58,300 --> 00:23:56,660 we focus on the two flights we've got 687 00:24:00,400 --> 00:23:58,310 remaining right and make sure that those 688 00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:00,410 are really well thought out and really 689 00:24:04,090 --> 00:24:02,480 well-executed this other thing is we 690 00:24:05,980 --> 00:24:04,100 don't want to get distracted take our 691 00:24:08,050 --> 00:24:05,990 eye off the ball right and then end up 692 00:24:10,270 --> 00:24:08,060 not doing something or if we get too 693 00:24:11,380 --> 00:24:10,280 clever trying to move work around move 694 00:24:12,340 --> 00:24:11,390 things around from vehicle to vehicle 695 00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,350 I've 696 00:24:16,659 --> 00:24:14,240 Cena's get in trouble many many times so 697 00:24:18,370 --> 00:24:16,669 we've got a pretty stable plan we're 698 00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:18,380 going to make small modifications to 699 00:24:21,370 --> 00:24:20,000 that plan where it makes sense but we're 700 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:21,380 kind of really focused on the two 701 00:24:24,490 --> 00:24:22,850 remaining flights that are for sure and 702 00:24:26,650 --> 00:24:24,500 make sure we really have got those 703 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:26,660 executed the best we can and then we'll 704 00:24:31,210 --> 00:24:28,490 see what happens on this on this last 705 00:24:32,650 --> 00:24:31,220 yes I you guys are beating a dead horse 706 00:24:34,539 --> 00:24:32,660 off I'll steal something from Mike from 707 00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:34,549 a press conference ago that said you 708 00:24:36,610 --> 00:24:35,510 guys are the ones talking about the 709 00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,620 launch on the flight way more than we 710 00:24:39,310 --> 00:24:38,480 are we've got it bookend we know what 711 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:39,320 we're doing it we're just waiting for 712 00:24:44,830 --> 00:24:42,770 directions and on that exact note that a 713 00:24:46,690 --> 00:24:44,840 mr. garrison Meyer was mentioning it's 714 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:46,700 been a while since orbiters have been in 715 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:48,530 sort of an extended flow between 716 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:50,450 missions and with endeavours last light 717 00:24:54,399 --> 00:24:52,730 coming in February and the 134 flight 718 00:24:56,850 --> 00:24:54,409 currently in the novemberish timeframe 719 00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:56,860 I'm just wondering with endeavour 720 00:25:01,299 --> 00:24:59,360 endeavors original schedule for this had 721 00:25:03,789 --> 00:25:01,309 her being done with processing for 134 722 00:25:06,730 --> 00:25:03,799 around mid-june and then mating it out 723 00:25:09,250 --> 00:25:06,740 to the pad so what what type of work 724 00:25:11,620 --> 00:25:09,260 gets done on endeavour now if she's 725 00:25:14,169 --> 00:25:11,630 basically done with processing for 134 726 00:25:16,060 --> 00:25:14,179 if the original timeline held well see 727 00:25:18,490 --> 00:25:16,070 she's not she's not done processing to 728 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:18,500 begin with the launch date that we're 729 00:25:22,419 --> 00:25:19,970 looking at for endeavour sometime in 730 00:25:25,930 --> 00:25:22,429 November probably late November so we're 731 00:25:28,570 --> 00:25:25,940 nowhere near done processing if it does 732 00:25:30,159 --> 00:25:28,580 move out a little bit we'll take the 733 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:30,169 processing flow and extend it out maybe 734 00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:31,970 we go to one shift power on testing a 735 00:25:35,770 --> 00:25:34,159 day instead of two might take saturdays 736 00:25:37,270 --> 00:25:35,780 and sundays off instead of working most 737 00:25:39,820 --> 00:25:37,280 saturdays that type of thing we would 738 00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:39,830 just take the existing flow milestones 739 00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:42,320 existing work and basically spread that 740 00:25:47,260 --> 00:25:44,960 out we have to we have to be careful 741 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:47,270 about adding too much work i think you 742 00:25:50,590 --> 00:25:49,250 heard from both Mike and bill that can 743 00:25:52,510 --> 00:25:50,600 get us in trouble if we have more time 744 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:52,520 we're all engineers we like to change 745 00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:54,890 things right but we have to be careful 746 00:25:58,180 --> 00:25:56,809 if we start adding stuff to fill in that 747 00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:58,190 time we might be doing more harm than 748 00:26:02,500 --> 00:26:00,320 good so typically what we do is just 749 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:02,510 just take the existing work and simply 750 00:26:12,029 --> 00:26:10,200 hi clara moskowitz with space com um I 751 00:26:14,669 --> 00:26:12,039 think this is for Mike Moses but maybe 752 00:26:17,970 --> 00:26:14,679 anybody um this mission seemed to go 753 00:26:20,430 --> 00:26:17,980 very cleanly very few problems and most 754 00:26:22,649 --> 00:26:20,440 of the objectives were met as far as I 755 00:26:24,299 --> 00:26:22,659 understand just wondering if this does 756 00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:24,309 turn out to be Atlantis his last flight 757 00:26:28,140 --> 00:26:25,840 does that feel like an especially nice 758 00:26:30,510 --> 00:26:28,150 note to go out on oh yeah definitely 759 00:26:32,460 --> 00:26:30,520 yeah I mean we talk about that all the 760 00:26:35,700 --> 00:26:32,470 time that the best thing that can happen 761 00:26:38,250 --> 00:26:35,710 is the the propulsion elements the the 762 00:26:40,649 --> 00:26:38,260 Boosters the tank the main engines the 763 00:26:42,180 --> 00:26:40,659 orbiter all of that performs as it 764 00:26:43,980 --> 00:26:42,190 should and and it'd be case basically 765 00:26:45,270 --> 00:26:43,990 come becomes out of the way and it's 766 00:26:47,130 --> 00:26:45,280 nothing that we need to worry about when 767 00:26:49,020 --> 00:26:47,140 we're in orbit and the team can do the 768 00:26:51,390 --> 00:26:49,030 mission execute the VA's pull off the 769 00:26:53,399 --> 00:26:51,400 transfers and this is we had a little 770 00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:53,409 bit of a hiccup here with that the cable 771 00:26:57,539 --> 00:26:55,510 on the boom the sensor system that got 772 00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:57,549 stuck which kind of inhibitor but 773 00:27:01,950 --> 00:26:59,679 inhibited our ability to to do some of 774 00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:01,960 our inspections on flight they too but 775 00:27:05,010 --> 00:27:03,039 we were able to kind of work that back 776 00:27:06,570 --> 00:27:05,020 in on a pretty low interference basis 777 00:27:08,970 --> 00:27:06,580 but to be able to stay out of the way 778 00:27:10,350 --> 00:27:08,980 and let the mission be executed is the 779 00:27:13,460 --> 00:27:10,360 best thing and having Atlantis be able 780 00:27:16,289 --> 00:27:13,470 to do that was it's a good way to go 781 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:16,299 also just quickly I'm wondering with the 782 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:19,450 addition of the new mrm one does anybody 783 00:27:25,740 --> 00:27:21,250 have a percentage figure on how complete 784 00:27:28,529 --> 00:27:25,750 the space station is at this point we 785 00:27:30,810 --> 00:27:28,539 can get it for you if I just quoted it 786 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:30,820 to you would be wrong so we'll get it 787 00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:32,890 for you and we can provide to you we do 788 00:27:38,340 --> 00:27:35,110 both by mass and volume now and we can 789 00:27:40,260 --> 00:27:38,350 give you both of those thanks i'm irene 790 00:27:41,970 --> 00:27:40,270 klotz with Reuters I'm for bill 791 00:27:47,130 --> 00:27:41,980 Gerstenmaier I just had a clarification 792 00:27:50,130 --> 00:27:47,140 about this the funding for this sts-135 793 00:27:52,830 --> 00:27:50,140 issue if you've got enough money in the 794 00:27:56,430 --> 00:27:52,840 budget to go through februari i think is 795 00:27:59,789 --> 00:27:56,440 the last time period we were told and if 796 00:28:03,480 --> 00:27:59,799 you're able to fly the 133 and 134 797 00:28:06,090 --> 00:28:03,490 flights on on schedule do you need 798 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:06,100 something else some other approval I 799 00:28:13,260 --> 00:28:09,370 guess from my soy as rescue or something 800 00:28:16,380 --> 00:28:13,270 else that would give this decision about 801 00:28:20,060 --> 00:28:16,390 flying an extra flight somewhere beyond 802 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:20,070 your your level well right now 803 00:28:25,610 --> 00:28:22,650 we we have in the President's budget 804 00:28:27,020 --> 00:28:25,620 that he's recommended an additional six 805 00:28:29,270 --> 00:28:27,030 hundred million dollars that allows us 806 00:28:31,130 --> 00:28:29,280 to fly through December through the end 807 00:28:33,290 --> 00:28:31,140 of the calendar year that's been 808 00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:33,300 proposed us in the budget that still 809 00:28:37,130 --> 00:28:35,370 needs to be approved by the authorizers 810 00:28:39,020 --> 00:28:37,140 and the appropriators and within 811 00:28:41,030 --> 00:28:39,030 Congress to actually make sure that 812 00:28:43,550 --> 00:28:41,040 money gets transitioned to us on october 813 00:28:46,150 --> 00:28:43,560 first so that needs to occur and then 814 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:46,160 the problem is between december and and 815 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:49,050 june or whenever we decide to fly this 816 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:51,450 other flight we need to keep the work 817 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:53,250 force around we need to keep contractors 818 00:28:57,140 --> 00:28:54,810 in place we need to be ready to do 819 00:28:59,600 --> 00:28:57,150 failure analysis we need to have all the 820 00:29:01,280 --> 00:28:59,610 shuttle test equipment and folks around 821 00:29:05,210 --> 00:29:01,290 to go support all that activity and we 822 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:05,220 do not have funding for that period so 823 00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,530 you're saying that under nose under any 824 00:29:12,740 --> 00:29:09,360 your you don't have any scenario where 825 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:12,750 if 133 and 134 fly on time you'd be able 826 00:29:17,780 --> 00:29:15,450 to do a 135 flight by februari when you 827 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:17,790 still have funding available according 828 00:29:24,110 --> 00:29:22,290 to what John Shannon said recently again 829 00:29:26,150 --> 00:29:24,120 if we get the 600 million we could 830 00:29:28,580 --> 00:29:26,160 potentially go look at all that but then 831 00:29:30,290 --> 00:29:28,590 again we now have to step back a little 832 00:29:31,850 --> 00:29:30,300 bit and look at what we've done from an 833 00:29:34,100 --> 00:29:31,860 overall manifest standpoint right have 834 00:29:35,660 --> 00:29:34,110 we have we push things so far forward 835 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:35,670 that we really haven't helped station 836 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:37,770 and and a piece of the problem is we're 837 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:41,250 going to have a TV flying in December 838 00:29:45,530 --> 00:29:43,050 and then we're going to have HTV flying 839 00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:45,540 in January those are both heavy cargo 840 00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,720 missions so if I if I did what you 841 00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:51,120 described then I've got almost too much 842 00:29:55,010 --> 00:29:53,310 cargo at station from the wrong kind of 843 00:29:57,860 --> 00:29:55,020 vehicles at the wrong time that I can't 844 00:30:00,320 --> 00:29:57,870 fully effectively utilize the cargo that 845 00:30:02,390 --> 00:30:00,330 I'm delivering the station so we want to 846 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:02,400 move that other flight in February 847 00:30:07,310 --> 00:30:05,370 somewhere later in the year later in the 848 00:30:09,710 --> 00:30:07,320 spring in the summer away from those to 849 00:30:11,780 --> 00:30:09,720 progress from the ATV and the HTV cargo 850 00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:11,790 flights such we can get the right 851 00:30:15,890 --> 00:30:14,340 balance of spares to station see what's 852 00:30:18,050 --> 00:30:15,900 failed on station bring the last 853 00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:18,060 components up bring the last research up 854 00:30:22,250 --> 00:30:19,710 and return research at the most 855 00:30:24,170 --> 00:30:22,260 opportune time for station so it's it's 856 00:30:27,290 --> 00:30:24,180 kind of a finessing thing but at some 857 00:30:28,910 --> 00:30:27,300 point it it needs to be finessed if we 858 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:28,920 want to really take advantage of what 859 00:30:31,620 --> 00:30:31,050 we're asking folks to go do in flying 860 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:31,630 vehicles 861 00:30:35,310 --> 00:30:33,250 and hopefully that helps a little bit in 862 00:30:37,290 --> 00:30:35,320 and where John was with with the 863 00:30:39,330 --> 00:30:37,300 februari flight is we think we can do 864 00:30:41,010 --> 00:30:39,340 that if we can continue to under run and 865 00:30:42,750 --> 00:30:41,020 continue to save some money within the 866 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:42,760 program there's not a guarantee that we 867 00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:45,250 can get there we're working a bunch of 868 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:46,960 options to try to be prepared to keep 869 00:30:51,420 --> 00:30:49,930 options open and then we but again is 870 00:30:52,980 --> 00:30:51,430 I've been stressing this at some point 871 00:30:54,150 --> 00:30:52,990 we've got to quit working options we've 872 00:30:56,580 --> 00:30:54,160 got to kind of then write them all down 873 00:31:01,320 --> 00:30:56,590 on a piece of paper get serious and get 874 00:31:04,110 --> 00:31:01,330 ready and go execute and for the 133 and 875 00:31:07,860 --> 00:31:04,120 134 flights I guess for my line back 876 00:31:10,140 --> 00:31:07,870 there the Boosters the last set of 877 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:10,150 visitors are coming in tomorrow and if 878 00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:11,530 you could just kind of go through other 879 00:31:16,890 --> 00:31:13,600 milestones maybe coming up over the next 880 00:31:18,510 --> 00:31:16,900 dumb I guess through the summer as to 881 00:31:21,540 --> 00:31:18,520 where you are with processing thank you 882 00:31:23,220 --> 00:31:21,550 well some of it depends on you know the 883 00:31:26,490 --> 00:31:23,230 exact launch dates were shooting for 884 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:26,500 September 16th we still have oh gosh 885 00:31:29,910 --> 00:31:28,210 another couple of months and they will 886 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:29,920 PF something like that I don't have 887 00:31:33,540 --> 00:31:31,210 those exact dates in front of me I'm 888 00:31:34,830 --> 00:31:33,550 sorry but yeah the last set of boosters 889 00:31:35,580 --> 00:31:34,840 for the last flight are coming in 890 00:31:37,470 --> 00:31:35,590 tomorrow so that would be another 891 00:31:39,930 --> 00:31:37,480 milestone and the remainder of the 892 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:39,940 program we can get you all those dates 893 00:31:45,690 --> 00:31:43,330 Iran I'm sorry I just don't happen and 894 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:45,700 then quickly I done the percentages that 895 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:46,930 they gave me a note here its 896 00:31:53,220 --> 00:31:48,610 ninety-eight percent volume and 897 00:31:57,300 --> 00:31:53,230 ninety-four percent by mass sounds like 898 00:31:59,070 --> 00:31:57,310 an engineering answer hi Robert Pearlman 899 00:32:01,440 --> 00:31:59,080 with collectspace.com with a question I 900 00:32:03,270 --> 00:32:01,450 think from my climb buck you mentioned 901 00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:03,280 that processing for Atlantis for the 902 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:07,120 launch on need starts tonight but given 903 00:32:11,490 --> 00:32:09,730 that there is a extension on on when 904 00:32:14,580 --> 00:32:11,500 those the last two well the last flight 905 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:14,590 may fly what's going to be the pace for 906 00:32:19,290 --> 00:32:16,570 the turnaround of Atlantis are you going 907 00:32:21,510 --> 00:32:19,300 to run a normal pace and just have it 908 00:32:24,420 --> 00:32:21,520 ready to sit in the in the OPF when 909 00:32:26,190 --> 00:32:24,430 needed or are you putting out over time 910 00:32:28,770 --> 00:32:26,200 think that's a good question that the 911 00:32:30,750 --> 00:32:28,780 pace to begin with processing flow is 912 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:30,760 always the same it's D servicing the 913 00:32:35,070 --> 00:32:33,250 vehicle from its you know from its 914 00:32:36,810 --> 00:32:35,080 previous mission so we'll start that 915 00:32:38,730 --> 00:32:36,820 tonight there are some commodities we 916 00:32:40,890 --> 00:32:38,740 have to get off before before too long 917 00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:40,900 we have a certain time and cycle time 918 00:32:43,980 --> 00:32:42,640 requirements to get those those 919 00:32:45,450 --> 00:32:43,990 commodities off we have to purge the 920 00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:45,460 engines got to get them dry 921 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:46,720 those are those types of things always 922 00:32:50,460 --> 00:32:48,370 occur at the same time in the processing 923 00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:50,470 flow and all that kind of stuff is done 924 00:32:55,470 --> 00:32:53,529 in first week essentially and then we go 925 00:32:59,340 --> 00:32:55,480 into the turnaround we get the payload 926 00:33:01,260 --> 00:32:59,350 down load going on I get to the cargo 927 00:33:02,970 --> 00:33:01,270 bay payload Bay emptied out whatever may 928 00:33:04,769 --> 00:33:02,980 be in there those types of things are 929 00:33:07,139 --> 00:33:04,779 factored in different systems testing 930 00:33:09,419 --> 00:33:07,149 and then hopefully we'll know by the end 931 00:33:11,460 --> 00:33:09,429 of june or so whether what launch date 932 00:33:12,810 --> 00:33:11,470 we're looking for whether it's the 933 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:12,820 launch on need or whether it's a mission 934 00:33:16,620 --> 00:33:14,890 and what those dates may be and then we 935 00:33:18,690 --> 00:33:16,630 would set the remainder the of the OPF 936 00:33:19,919 --> 00:33:18,700 flow and pad flow for that but the first 937 00:33:21,419 --> 00:33:19,929 the first couple of weeks of a 938 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:21,429 turnaround are always the same and we'll 939 00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:25,090 don't start that tonight okay thank you 940 00:33:31,019 --> 00:33:28,049 and I think for for bill Gerstenmaier 941 00:33:34,019 --> 00:33:31,029 with regards to the launch on need is 942 00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:34,029 the current crew the sts-132 crew that 943 00:33:39,180 --> 00:33:35,679 came back is its flight deck crew that 944 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:39,190 that crew for Atlantis as well or has 945 00:33:44,430 --> 00:33:41,770 another crew been set for launch on need 946 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:44,440 thanks we haven't made a decision at all 947 00:33:50,159 --> 00:33:48,610 about crew selection well the hardwood 948 00:33:52,860 --> 00:33:50,169 cbso just a couple of quick ones for 949 00:33:54,810 --> 00:33:52,870 bill just to follow up earlier questions 950 00:33:56,580 --> 00:33:54,820 who is it who is the higher authority 951 00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:56,590 that has to approve it is this is it 952 00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:58,720 ostp or is it the president that 953 00:34:01,590 --> 00:34:00,399 ultimately has to say let's do this and 954 00:34:04,169 --> 00:34:01,600 then Congress has to give you the money 955 00:34:06,450 --> 00:34:04,179 how does that work it's really all of 956 00:34:08,010 --> 00:34:06,460 those folks that you described it this 957 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:08,020 is the same kind of answer I gave last 958 00:34:12,359 --> 00:34:10,570 time right but it's it they all have to 959 00:34:13,889 --> 00:34:12,369 agree kinda on the plan and they all 960 00:34:15,450 --> 00:34:13,899 have certain aspects of the plan they 961 00:34:17,790 --> 00:34:15,460 have to approve and I need all those 962 00:34:19,740 --> 00:34:17,800 approvals to to be ready to go move 963 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:19,750 forward you guys are presenting the 964 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:21,490 information you're actively presenting 965 00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:23,649 that I'm assuming right now to ostp you 966 00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:27,040 know in OMB whoever the responsible 967 00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:28,480 parties are that's in work is what 968 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:30,639 you're saying we've prepared some 969 00:34:35,339 --> 00:34:32,290 concepts and we've got some data 970 00:34:37,770 --> 00:34:35,349 available that folks can go look at and 971 00:34:39,659 --> 00:34:37,780 one more on money and what it would cost 972 00:34:41,070 --> 00:34:39,669 I mean John it said it's 200 million 973 00:34:44,070 --> 00:34:41,080 bucks a month you know to run the 974 00:34:46,349 --> 00:34:44,080 shuttle program normally if you ended up 975 00:34:49,020 --> 00:34:46,359 having to launch 134 in February for 976 00:34:50,250 --> 00:34:49,030 example and you well even take that out 977 00:34:51,930 --> 00:34:50,260 of the equation if you were looking at 978 00:34:54,990 --> 00:34:51,940 launching another mission in June or is 979 00:34:57,390 --> 00:34:55,000 it really for my ballpark purposes it's 980 00:34:58,860 --> 00:34:57,400 just 200 million a month between the end 981 00:35:01,260 --> 00:34:58,870 of the year and whenever 982 00:35:04,410 --> 00:35:01,270 that flight would fly we think it's 983 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:04,420 possibly a little bit less than that and 984 00:35:08,730 --> 00:35:05,890 we're still kind of working at and 985 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:08,740 refining it to get a precise number it 986 00:35:13,860 --> 00:35:10,890 depends a little bit on what we actually 987 00:35:15,420 --> 00:35:13,870 how this thing transpires over the next 988 00:35:17,310 --> 00:35:15,430 couple months whether manifests are but 989 00:35:19,380 --> 00:35:17,320 but we think we can probably be a little 990 00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:19,390 bit less expensive than 200 million a 991 00:35:23,850 --> 00:35:22,510 month and for Mike you mentioned 992 00:35:25,590 --> 00:35:23,860 standing out on the runway looking at 993 00:35:27,210 --> 00:35:25,600 the vehicle I mean you guys down here at 994 00:35:29,550 --> 00:35:27,220 the Cape who work on these things I mean 995 00:35:31,770 --> 00:35:29,560 what were your thoughts on up I don't 996 00:35:33,690 --> 00:35:31,780 know a personal level as you saw this 997 00:35:35,250 --> 00:35:33,700 vehicle that as clean as it is knowing 998 00:35:36,990 --> 00:35:35,260 that its next step as a museum what 999 00:35:39,810 --> 00:35:37,000 would it what do you think about when 1000 00:35:41,070 --> 00:35:39,820 you look at that thing well first and 1001 00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:41,080 foremost proud to be a member of the 1002 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:44,310 space shuttle team employee of NASA 1003 00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:48,490 comes to mind the thing that strikes me 1004 00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:51,910 most probably lately is that at the end 1005 00:35:56,430 --> 00:35:53,920 of the shuttle program and before the 1006 00:35:57,630 --> 00:35:56,440 next program is up and running there's 1007 00:35:59,970 --> 00:35:57,640 going to be a gap in American 1008 00:36:02,190 --> 00:35:59,980 spaceflight on American vehicles that's 1009 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:02,200 the fact and we just don't know how long 1010 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:05,530 that's going to be and I'm not I'm not 1011 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:07,210 opposed to a new program at all don't 1012 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:09,730 get me wrong I just as a taxpayer and as 1013 00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:12,010 a space-efficient out of both space 1014 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:15,310 travel and space adventure the gap that 1015 00:36:22,020 --> 00:36:17,410 gap in American spaceflight on American 1016 00:36:25,020 --> 00:36:22,030 rocket on American rockets it bothers me 1017 00:36:27,810 --> 00:36:25,030 a little bit but it is what it is and 1018 00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:27,820 we'll deal with that and will wish all 1019 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:29,920 the commercial providers the best and 1020 00:36:33,630 --> 00:36:31,450 help them in any way we can to get them 1021 00:36:35,790 --> 00:36:33,640 up and running as soon as possible but 1022 00:36:37,950 --> 00:36:35,800 that gap is unavoidable and I just hope 1023 00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:37,960 we do what we can as soon as we can to 1024 00:36:41,970 --> 00:36:40,750 narrow that gap as much as possible but 1025 00:36:43,890 --> 00:36:41,980 to see that vehicle out on the runway 1026 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:43,900 and knowing it may have been her last 1027 00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:46,930 mission kind of emotional I think you 1028 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:48,640 saw you saw some people out there that 1029 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:50,650 looked up at her and kind of had some 1030 00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:51,970 second thoughts about was this really 1031 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:00,290 hi ken kremer for the Planetary Society 1032 00:37:07,010 --> 00:37:02,730 for bill Gerstenmaier like to follow up 1033 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:07,020 on when the shuttle retires and can you 1034 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:08,850 talk a little bit about how you're going 1035 00:37:13,310 --> 00:37:10,770 to resupply the space station do you 1036 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:13,320 have enough capacity without the shuttle 1037 00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:16,650 you've got hdv and you got a TV but 1038 00:37:20,900 --> 00:37:19,320 without if the cots program doesn't 1039 00:37:24,110 --> 00:37:20,910 doesn't happen what what is the 1040 00:37:25,850 --> 00:37:24,120 consequence of that again we've done 1041 00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:25,860 quite a bit of looking at the manifests 1042 00:37:31,610 --> 00:37:29,280 we have a TV HTV in progress to supply 1043 00:37:34,250 --> 00:37:31,620 the station we're looking at both SpaceX 1044 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:34,260 and Orbital to be other cargo providers 1045 00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:37,170 we're looking for them to come into 2011 1046 00:37:42,380 --> 00:37:40,110 2012 12 time frame from supplies we've 1047 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:42,390 used these remaining shuttle flights to 1048 00:37:48,350 --> 00:37:46,410 essentially outfit or provision the 1049 00:37:50,690 --> 00:37:48,360 station with as many components as we 1050 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:50,700 possibly can so for example our large 1051 00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:52,650 control moment gyros they're already on 1052 00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:53,760 space station they're already 1053 00:37:57,620 --> 00:37:55,950 pre-positioned we just did the battery 1054 00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:57,630 change out on this flight which was a 1055 00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:59,520 unique set of batteries that we got up 1056 00:38:03,380 --> 00:38:00,960 and replace those so they're going to 1057 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:03,390 last all the way through 2020 2025 1058 00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:05,970 potentially so that's a good thing we've 1059 00:38:09,860 --> 00:38:08,040 done we also show the large K you band 1060 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:09,870 antenna that went up the SKF that got 1061 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:11,730 attached that provides a backup 1062 00:38:15,860 --> 00:38:13,410 communication system for the K you 1063 00:38:17,390 --> 00:38:15,870 system so we have redundancy we've added 1064 00:38:18,410 --> 00:38:17,400 there so what we've done over this 1065 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:18,420 period is we've essentially 1066 00:38:24,530 --> 00:38:21,810 pre-positioned station to fly for an 1067 00:38:26,450 --> 00:38:24,540 extended period of time to the 2011-2012 1068 00:38:27,950 --> 00:38:26,460 time frame until the cots providers come 1069 00:38:30,290 --> 00:38:27,960 online and then we'll be ready to go 1070 00:38:32,780 --> 00:38:30,300 ahead and move forward with with them 1071 00:38:35,390 --> 00:38:32,790 supplying station along with a TV HTV 1072 00:38:38,810 --> 00:38:35,400 and continuing then operating station 1073 00:38:40,910 --> 00:38:38,820 we've also seen luckily so far fairly 1074 00:38:43,970 --> 00:38:40,920 low failure rates on station in terms of 1075 00:38:45,380 --> 00:38:43,980 components so that's very promising to 1076 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:45,390 us because that's as we maybe need less 1077 00:38:49,130 --> 00:38:47,370 logistics and we had budgeted so that 1078 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:49,140 also gives us some margin it may allow 1079 00:38:52,220 --> 00:38:50,850 us to even take a little bit later date 1080 00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:52,230 for some of those commercial vehicles 1081 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:54,300 coming online so so we've looked at that 1082 00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:56,370 we can you know we have a period of time 1083 00:39:00,140 --> 00:38:57,720 when we can wait for them to gain 1084 00:39:02,450 --> 00:39:00,150 experience to learn to deliver cargo to 1085 00:39:05,210 --> 00:39:02,460 station but but we're going to need them 1086 00:39:07,870 --> 00:39:05,220 into 2011-2012 timeframe to keep station 1087 00:39:09,759 --> 00:39:07,880 is productive as it needs to be too 1088 00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:09,769 do the utilization we want to go do so 1089 00:39:14,410 --> 00:39:11,839 so they really are critical to us we're 1090 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:14,420 looking forward to their success as they 1091 00:39:17,740 --> 00:39:16,490 move forward but we've got a little bit 1092 00:39:19,539 --> 00:39:17,750 of margin if they're a little bit 1093 00:39:23,019 --> 00:39:19,549 delayed but but not a tremendous amount 1094 00:39:24,849 --> 00:39:23,029 of margin is what you have yes okay 1095 00:39:27,450 --> 00:39:24,859 could I follow up one other question too 1096 00:39:30,059 --> 00:39:27,460 there's been some discussion of 1097 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:30,069 continuing and Ares flight test program 1098 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:32,210 can you talk a little bit about that 1099 00:39:36,190 --> 00:39:34,130 what what you're doing or is that all 1100 00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:36,200 just rational suggestions well that's 1101 00:39:40,089 --> 00:39:38,480 really more in the exploration systems 1102 00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:40,099 Mission Directorate you know they kind 1103 00:39:44,410 --> 00:39:42,049 of do the new development activities and 1104 00:39:45,759 --> 00:39:44,420 I do the operational programs the 1105 00:39:47,289 --> 00:39:45,769 programs are flying so I don't really 1106 00:39:48,999 --> 00:39:47,299 have much insight into where that 1107 00:39:50,620 --> 00:39:49,009 planning is but I I do know there's 1108 00:39:52,690 --> 00:39:50,630 several teams out there looking at 1109 00:39:54,789 --> 00:39:52,700 various options that we're trying to put 1110 00:39:57,039 --> 00:39:54,799 together an for what that next plan is 1111 00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:57,049 with some concrete milestones and 1112 00:40:02,559 --> 00:39:58,490 concrete vehicles and missions but I 1113 00:40:04,269 --> 00:40:02,569 don't have specifics of that Peter I 1114 00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:04,279 would suddenly theme in Australia for 1115 00:40:09,009 --> 00:40:06,710 mr. Gerstenmaier um when this space 1116 00:40:10,420 --> 00:40:09,019 shuttle program eventually finishes 1117 00:40:13,690 --> 00:40:10,430 whether it's two or three missions from 1118 00:40:16,450 --> 00:40:13,700 now could you tell me what the astronaut 1119 00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:16,460 corps will actually be doing other than 1120 00:40:21,460 --> 00:40:20,000 those assigned to ISS duties or planning 1121 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:21,470 to will they be involved in the next 1122 00:40:26,109 --> 00:40:24,170 generation development all yeah the 1123 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:26,119 astronaut office will do it's a kind of 1124 00:40:29,499 --> 00:40:27,890 traditional role they'll be definitely 1125 00:40:31,210 --> 00:40:29,509 supporting space station will be very 1126 00:40:33,069 --> 00:40:31,220 active with with the space station 1127 00:40:35,710 --> 00:40:33,079 activities doing research understanding 1128 00:40:37,870 --> 00:40:35,720 what we're doing there the I astronaut 1129 00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:37,880 office is also typically very involved 1130 00:40:44,140 --> 00:40:39,529 in designing the new vehicles so they 1131 00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:44,150 are involved in training analysis human 1132 00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,680 factors kind of interaction with the 1133 00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:47,599 vehicle they're also involved in systems 1134 00:40:52,660 --> 00:40:50,240 design looking at things you know I came 1135 00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:52,670 to the shuttle program you know a little 1136 00:40:55,690 --> 00:40:54,319 bit before the first shuttle flight so 1137 00:40:58,269 --> 00:40:55,700 the astronauts were involved at that 1138 00:41:00,759 --> 00:40:58,279 point designing and helping to work with 1139 00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:00,769 the engineers to go operate the shuttle 1140 00:41:04,269 --> 00:41:02,240 they also spent a lot of time in the 1141 00:41:06,009 --> 00:41:04,279 simulators doing early things and the 1142 00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:06,019 avionics facility understanding how the 1143 00:41:09,789 --> 00:41:07,730 software worked how the vehicle operates 1144 00:41:11,380 --> 00:41:09,799 same with Space Station they spent a lot 1145 00:41:13,059 --> 00:41:11,390 of time into design reviews and the 1146 00:41:15,460 --> 00:41:13,069 activities associated with that so there 1147 00:41:17,049 --> 00:41:15,470 will be a portion of the astronaut 1148 00:41:18,700 --> 00:41:17,059 office where we take their flight 1149 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:18,710 experience what they really learned in 1150 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:20,410 space what they 1151 00:41:25,290 --> 00:41:23,050 understand to how to operate systems 1152 00:41:26,970 --> 00:41:25,300 what good form fit and function is from 1153 00:41:28,890 --> 00:41:26,980 a human interface standpoint and will 1154 00:41:30,180 --> 00:41:28,900 capture all that knowledge so we can use 1155 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:30,190 that in the next vehicle so the 1156 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:31,570 astronaut office will be involved both 1157 00:41:35,310 --> 00:41:33,850 in supporting station and also designing 1158 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:35,320 and developing and new systems that 1159 00:41:41,060 --> 00:41:38,410 we're going to go fly and once again 1160 00:41:43,410 --> 00:41:41,070 post shuttle could you describe what the 1161 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:43,420 activities at Kennedy Space Center are 1162 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:45,010 going to be here is the whole place 1163 00:41:50,460 --> 00:41:46,810 going to be mothballed until they know 1164 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:50,470 what's happening and also are there 1165 00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:52,330 going to be mass layoffs and retirements 1166 00:41:57,810 --> 00:41:54,400 and can you give me a numbers on those 1167 00:41:59,580 --> 00:41:57,820 perhaps I again we've got some workforce 1168 00:42:01,380 --> 00:41:59,590 projections which we've shown for what 1169 00:42:02,730 --> 00:42:01,390 the shuttle ramp down is one of the 1170 00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:02,740 things that's in the president's new 1171 00:42:07,170 --> 00:42:04,960 budget is an activity called 21st 1172 00:42:09,540 --> 00:42:07,180 century range or launch architecture 1173 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:09,550 we're looking at here at Kennedy is 1174 00:42:13,830 --> 00:42:11,410 could we build some things that are not 1175 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:13,840 single purpose kind of facilities so for 1176 00:42:18,140 --> 00:42:15,610 example in the vertical Assembly 1177 00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:18,150 Building today you know we can process 1178 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:20,800 shuttles in there and then we processed 1179 00:42:24,810 --> 00:42:22,810 areas 1x in there but that we had to 1180 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:24,820 essentially modify the high bay 3 1181 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:27,610 temporarily to support areas 1x the idea 1182 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:30,010 is could we could we more generically 1183 00:42:36,210 --> 00:42:34,690 make the VA B's assembly facilities 1184 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:36,220 where you can have platforms and move up 1185 00:42:39,060 --> 00:42:37,690 and down so if a different rocket is in 1186 00:42:40,410 --> 00:42:39,070 there you could process a different 1187 00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:40,420 rocket so potentially you could even 1188 00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:41,680 pick up some of the expendable launch 1189 00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:43,510 vehicles that are currently launched 1190 00:42:48,090 --> 00:42:45,280 over on the Capeside you could process 1191 00:42:49,830 --> 00:42:48,100 those there go ahead and launch them in 1192 00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:49,840 the high bay they're also looking at a 1193 00:42:53,820 --> 00:42:52,240 new launch mount and maybe Mike can talk 1194 00:42:55,890 --> 00:42:53,830 about that but to launch mount it 1195 00:42:58,650 --> 00:42:55,900 accepts different Rockets on top of it 1196 00:43:00,060 --> 00:42:58,660 so again it's a generic kind of launcher 1197 00:43:01,260 --> 00:43:00,070 base that could be used with different 1198 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:01,270 rockets so they're going to be 1199 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:03,610 positioning themselves to to make the 1200 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:04,930 Kennedy Space Center more of a 1201 00:43:09,060 --> 00:43:06,850 multi-purpose facility that's not 1202 00:43:11,130 --> 00:43:09,070 specific to one program but can support 1203 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:11,140 multiple programs same thing with the 1204 00:43:15,150 --> 00:43:13,450 range it takes us 48 hours or so to turn 1205 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:15,160 around the range that's because a lot of 1206 00:43:18,330 --> 00:43:16,570 the data that gets passed over to the 1207 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:18,340 range is unique it's in shuttle format 1208 00:43:22,170 --> 00:43:19,810 then when they want to go fly a delta 1209 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:22,180 they got to switch to Delta format so we 1210 00:43:25,260 --> 00:43:23,650 need to figure out a way we can get some 1211 00:43:27,060 --> 00:43:25,270 of that software fixed so we can make 1212 00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:27,070 that transition from one rocket to 1213 00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:29,110 another much faster the software that 1214 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:30,640 controls the shuttles unique to the 1215 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:32,650 shuttle all the PC Gulf stuff is unique 1216 00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:33,770 software we 1217 00:43:37,180 --> 00:43:35,510 built new unique software for Ares 1x 1218 00:43:39,580 --> 00:43:37,190 could we build some software that could 1219 00:43:41,890 --> 00:43:39,590 actually monitor a variety of different 1220 00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:41,900 Rockets to try to make the launch 1221 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:43,760 complex more efficient so there's going 1222 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:45,290 to be quite a bit of effort looking at 1223 00:43:49,230 --> 00:43:47,090 how we posture ourselves for the next 1224 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:49,240 generation to be kind of a multi-purpose 1225 00:43:54,190 --> 00:43:51,770 ability to support multiple rocket time 1226 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:54,200 frame I think one of those tangible 1227 00:43:59,620 --> 00:43:56,690 things you'll see in the near term is a 1228 00:44:01,150 --> 00:43:59,630 change to pad be we're going to take all 1229 00:44:03,220 --> 00:44:01,160 the structure off a pad be and make it 1230 00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:03,230 essentially a clean pad and make it 1231 00:44:07,420 --> 00:44:04,730 available as bill said for different 1232 00:44:08,620 --> 00:44:07,430 vehicle configurations obviously leave 1233 00:44:10,300 --> 00:44:08,630 pate alone we're going to launch the 1234 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:10,310 shuttle off pate and probably leave it 1235 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:12,770 alone for some time after that in case 1236 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:14,450 the next architecture is a shuttle drive 1237 00:44:18,370 --> 00:44:16,130 type architecture which which I don't 1238 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:18,380 know right now but that's the next thing 1239 00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:20,330 you'll see is pad be starting to come 1240 00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:23,510 down because you know like the mobile 1241 00:44:27,370 --> 00:44:25,040 launcher that we have for the Ares test 1242 00:44:30,010 --> 00:44:27,380 program with with the with the tower on 1243 00:44:31,570 --> 00:44:30,020 that mobile launcher that's their 1244 00:44:33,070 --> 00:44:31,580 configuration some other vehicle may 1245 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:33,080 have a different configuration but most 1246 00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:34,490 of what we're hearing is they would 1247 00:44:38,650 --> 00:44:36,710 prefer just to have services out the pad 1248 00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,660 but no structure of the pad so they 1249 00:44:42,250 --> 00:44:40,400 could design their own mobile launcher 1250 00:44:44,110 --> 00:44:42,260 and their own tower to fit their 1251 00:44:45,850 --> 00:44:44,120 configuration so we're going to get pad 1252 00:44:48,460 --> 00:44:45,860 be down to essentially a clean pad 1253 00:44:53,340 --> 00:44:48,470 concept and you'll start seeing that 1254 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:53,350 pretty soon eben brown fox news radio 1255 00:44:57,370 --> 00:44:55,850 since the return to flight after 1256 00:45:02,320 --> 00:44:57,380 Columbia we've always had a launch on 1257 00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,330 need ship ready to go in case if there 1258 00:45:06,820 --> 00:45:04,640 is a 135 flight there would not be in 1259 00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:06,830 ello in fly time understanding why is 1260 00:45:11,410 --> 00:45:09,200 that an acceptable option is that 1261 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:11,420 something that's being say is there a 1262 00:45:15,250 --> 00:45:13,490 decision or a conversation going on 1263 00:45:17,650 --> 00:45:15,260 saying well we could forego the yellow n 1264 00:45:20,650 --> 00:45:17,660 just to get one more just to get one 1265 00:45:22,420 --> 00:45:20,660 more flight going well we're looking at 1266 00:45:25,090 --> 00:45:22,430 is we're looking at provide wheel if we 1267 00:45:27,070 --> 00:45:25,100 can make the crew size of four crew size 1268 00:45:28,750 --> 00:45:27,080 keep the crew size small you can 1269 00:45:30,580 --> 00:45:28,760 potentially use a Soyuz vehicle to 1270 00:45:33,220 --> 00:45:30,590 return the crew in a period of time so 1271 00:45:35,410 --> 00:45:33,230 you can achieve the same launch I need 1272 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:35,420 backup capability with a Soyuz vehicle 1273 00:45:40,060 --> 00:45:38,090 it may require a fair amount of time on 1274 00:45:41,830 --> 00:45:40,070 orbit then the other piece of data that 1275 00:45:43,060 --> 00:45:41,840 goes into this is we're also taking a 1276 00:45:45,070 --> 00:45:43,070 look at the performance we've been 1277 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:45,080 seeing on the external tanks right what 1278 00:45:47,450 --> 00:45:46,850 are we really gaining what protection do 1279 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:47,460 we gain 1280 00:45:50,900 --> 00:45:49,290 having another orbiter available for us 1281 00:45:52,820 --> 00:45:50,910 to go do that so we're looking at it 1282 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:52,830 logically you know have our tank 1283 00:45:56,030 --> 00:45:54,690 performance improved you know we now 1284 00:45:57,740 --> 00:45:56,040 have repair techniques that we've 1285 00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:57,750 certified or not certified but we've 1286 00:46:02,510 --> 00:46:00,000 validated and arc jet to make sure that 1287 00:46:04,340 --> 00:46:02,520 we can repair damage on the shuttle so 1288 00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:04,350 are those things mature enough now that 1289 00:46:09,470 --> 00:46:07,110 we would be willing to not totally forgo 1290 00:46:10,910 --> 00:46:09,480 the launch I need capability but relax 1291 00:46:13,310 --> 00:46:10,920 it and provided in a slightly different 1292 00:46:15,590 --> 00:46:13,320 manner using Soyuz and the robustness of 1293 00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,600 a repair procedures and are in our tank 1294 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:18,000 performance so it's and that's a piece 1295 00:46:21,530 --> 00:46:19,530 of the discussion that we have to have 1296 00:46:23,390 --> 00:46:21,540 we need to get again to community to go 1297 00:46:25,250 --> 00:46:23,400 agree that that's an acceptable approach 1298 00:46:26,660 --> 00:46:25,260 but we've laid out the parameters and 1299 00:46:28,490 --> 00:46:26,670 we're starting to evaluate those things 1300 00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:28,500 now the other big piece of that just the 1301 00:46:31,310 --> 00:46:29,880 station robustness you know when we 1302 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:31,320 first started this a return to flight we 1303 00:46:35,390 --> 00:46:33,330 were looking at a 30-day lifeboat 1304 00:46:36,860 --> 00:46:35,400 capability on station those systems are 1305 00:46:38,570 --> 00:46:36,870 now up and fully running and we're 1306 00:46:40,340 --> 00:46:38,580 looking now at 120 days and by the time 1307 00:46:42,770 --> 00:46:40,350 we get to the end we're probably be up 1308 00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:42,780 in 150 days that that a crew could stay 1309 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:43,920 up there before they need to be rescued 1310 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:45,210 so that really brings a lot of other 1311 00:46:51,830 --> 00:46:47,490 options to the table besides a launch on 1312 00:46:54,290 --> 00:46:51,840 each shuttle in a situation like that 1313 00:46:57,260 --> 00:46:54,300 would a lifeboat need to be standing by 1314 00:46:59,830 --> 00:46:57,270 at station in that case or would you 1315 00:47:03,350 --> 00:46:59,840 send a lifeboat up should you need one 1316 00:47:08,690 --> 00:47:03,360 we would probably send one up should we 1317 00:47:11,660 --> 00:47:08,700 need one so user yes that a few fault 1318 00:47:13,970 --> 00:47:11,670 before we wrap up here just work your 1319 00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:13,980 way down the same or I'll be likely help 1320 00:47:23,390 --> 00:47:20,730 oh sure marcia marcia dunn AP again for 1321 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:23,400 bill I'm with the Falcon test coming up 1322 00:47:29,930 --> 00:47:26,970 within a week or so how crucial do you 1323 00:47:32,210 --> 00:47:29,940 think it is to the whole current plan as 1324 00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:32,220 it stands for that flight to be 1325 00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:36,960 successful again I think it's it's in 1326 00:47:46,380 --> 00:47:44,880 this is stuff right bill t intimate it's 1327 00:47:48,269 --> 00:47:46,390 a maiden flight of a new rocket right so 1328 00:47:49,739 --> 00:47:48,279 yes it's important but you don't want to 1329 00:47:52,229 --> 00:47:49,749 that make that mean it must be 1330 00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:52,239 successful a test flight by definition 1331 00:47:55,769 --> 00:47:54,160 doesn't have to go to orbit to be 1332 00:47:57,390 --> 00:47:55,779 successful it just ask that you have to 1333 00:47:59,219 --> 00:47:57,400 learn what it's doing and understand it 1334 00:48:01,319 --> 00:47:59,229 so you can successfully repeat your 1335 00:48:03,479 --> 00:48:01,329 capability and so I think he once said 1336 00:48:04,439 --> 00:48:03,489 it best he doesn't have any expectation 1337 00:48:06,779 --> 00:48:04,449 that they'll on their first launch 1338 00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:06,789 countdown push the button I mean they're 1339 00:48:09,870 --> 00:48:08,079 going to learn something as they go it 1340 00:48:11,489 --> 00:48:09,880 doesn't mean they they weren't but you 1341 00:48:13,439 --> 00:48:11,499 saw that in their wet dress rehearsals 1342 00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:13,449 that you've learned incrementally and so 1343 00:48:18,529 --> 00:48:16,209 as you go you kind of learn so we saw 1344 00:48:20,759 --> 00:48:18,539 that what everyone acts too we got this 1345 00:48:22,859 --> 00:48:20,769 extra pressure put on that program to 1346 00:48:24,660 --> 00:48:22,869 say well it now has to work perfect well 1347 00:48:26,579 --> 00:48:24,670 it's a test flight it's not supposed to 1348 00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:26,589 work perfect or it wouldn't be a test 1349 00:48:30,029 --> 00:48:27,910 flight there's a reason this first lady 1350 00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:30,039 isn't carrying up a dragon capsule taken 1351 00:48:33,989 --> 00:48:31,599 car go to the station it's the internal 1352 00:48:35,489 --> 00:48:33,999 space X and that's where we try to not 1353 00:48:37,140 --> 00:48:35,499 want to put that pressure on them to say 1354 00:48:39,150 --> 00:48:37,150 hey you better get that right because 1355 00:48:40,319 --> 00:48:39,160 the next one's carrying our stuff it's 1356 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:40,329 their test program they can do what they 1357 00:48:44,099 --> 00:48:41,890 need to and they ought to meet their own 1358 00:48:45,390 --> 00:48:44,109 objectives so and I think that's that's 1359 00:48:47,099 --> 00:48:45,400 really important what I was trying to 1360 00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:47,109 say and probably won't say it right but 1361 00:48:51,420 --> 00:48:49,209 but even if it appears that it's 1362 00:48:53,069 --> 00:48:51,430 successful it's not necessarily that 1363 00:48:55,049 --> 00:48:53,079 ensures that you're there it's really 1364 00:48:56,729 --> 00:48:55,059 the data behind it right how how well 1365 00:48:58,680 --> 00:48:56,739 did the vehicle perform against its 1366 00:49:00,269 --> 00:48:58,690 margin right and how well did other 1367 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:00,279 things go so it may give the appearance 1368 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:02,650 that it was successful but then it's 1369 00:49:06,930 --> 00:49:04,690 really deeper than that but then on the 1370 00:49:09,029 --> 00:49:06,940 counter or the other side is also if you 1371 00:49:10,799 --> 00:49:09,039 have a failure and it's a very clean 1372 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:10,809 failure and you understand what it was 1373 00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:13,930 and it's it was very obvious to you you 1374 00:49:17,459 --> 00:49:15,609 can repair that and then build a much 1375 00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:17,469 better robust design so it actually 1376 00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:19,599 could benefit you so there's there's a 1377 00:49:23,789 --> 00:49:21,729 so the problem with test flight is as 1378 00:49:25,259 --> 00:49:23,799 engineers we want to test at the right 1379 00:49:26,579 --> 00:49:25,269 time in the sequence if you wait until 1380 00:49:28,229 --> 00:49:26,589 everything's perfect then you're not 1381 00:49:29,579 --> 00:49:28,239 really doing a whole act like by doing a 1382 00:49:31,259 --> 00:49:29,589 test flight you know you kind of knew it 1383 00:49:32,579 --> 00:49:31,269 was going to be okay in the end and you 1384 00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:32,589 really didn't learn what you wanted to 1385 00:49:36,029 --> 00:49:34,569 go do if you go too early and you pick 1386 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:36,039 up some failure then you get all this 1387 00:49:39,359 --> 00:49:37,690 help and redesign and your rocket right 1388 00:49:41,189 --> 00:49:39,369 so then you've got to pick the right 1389 00:49:43,289 --> 00:49:41,199 time between when it's too early in the 1390 00:49:45,539 --> 00:49:43,299 test sequence and when it's so late that 1391 00:49:47,309 --> 00:49:45,549 you gain the maximum out of that test 1392 00:49:49,170 --> 00:49:47,319 flight and that's that that's the 1393 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:49,180 dilemma it's the same philosophy that 1394 00:49:53,009 --> 00:49:50,890 goes into aircraft testing it goes into 1395 00:49:54,810 --> 00:49:53,019 other testing as well so it's not an 1396 00:49:56,460 --> 00:49:54,820 easy answer to me 1397 00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:56,470 it's what does the performance of the 1398 00:49:59,850 --> 00:49:58,240 rocket actually tell us about the design 1399 00:50:01,710 --> 00:49:59,860 and then that moves forward and then 1400 00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:01,720 it's best to talk to the designer or the 1401 00:50:05,570 --> 00:50:03,040 builder of the rocket about what this 1402 00:50:07,980 --> 00:50:05,580 test flight really means to that 1403 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:07,990 oversight over whatsoever you can have 1404 00:50:11,940 --> 00:50:10,090 people stationed in Mission Control to 1405 00:50:14,550 --> 00:50:11,950 make sure things are just this first 1406 00:50:16,170 --> 00:50:14,560 flight is is not sponsored by NASA it's 1407 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:16,180 for another customer so this is pretty 1408 00:50:20,310 --> 00:50:18,010 much space X doing their thing they've 1409 00:50:22,110 --> 00:50:20,320 asked us to help so we have we're going 1410 00:50:24,210 --> 00:50:22,120 to help pick up the first stage so we're 1411 00:50:26,130 --> 00:50:24,220 going to use one of our recovery booster 1412 00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:26,140 recovery ships to help them with the 1413 00:50:31,020 --> 00:50:28,960 recovery of this stage again and then 1414 00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:31,030 we've also think they've asked for some 1415 00:50:34,620 --> 00:50:33,280 camera assets and some radar assets so 1416 00:50:36,660 --> 00:50:34,630 we're going to make those available to 1417 00:50:38,550 --> 00:50:36,670 them too but it's kind of what what 1418 00:50:40,050 --> 00:50:38,560 services they wanted from us they went 1419 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:40,060 out and asked us for help in these 1420 00:50:43,620 --> 00:50:41,770 certain areas to help with their overall 1421 00:50:45,210 --> 00:50:43,630 processing and the test flight and we'll 1422 00:50:50,970 --> 00:50:45,220 gladly provide that help to them where 1423 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:50,980 it makes sense yes Michael and I just 1424 00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:53,290 following up on that generic launch 1425 00:50:58,680 --> 00:50:56,710 mount is your expectation that crews are 1426 00:51:03,330 --> 00:50:58,690 going to launched from kennedy space 1427 00:51:05,970 --> 00:51:03,340 center post shuttle and if so when when 1428 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:05,980 do you think that that might happen next 1429 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:08,890 after the last shell thing that's a 1430 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:11,410 that's a real real real good question 1431 00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:14,050 and I don't know that anybody has that 1432 00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:17,440 answer I certainly don't we're cruising 1433 00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:18,610 on a girlfriend will be will be 1434 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:21,510 dependent on their vehicle architecture 1435 00:51:26,670 --> 00:51:23,770 whether they could launch from art from 1436 00:51:29,460 --> 00:51:26,680 our pad is possibility whether they will 1437 00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:29,470 I just don't know we'll just have to 1438 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:30,400 wait and see I mean they're they're 1439 00:51:34,530 --> 00:51:32,050 different competitors out there that 1440 00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:34,540 that want to do that business for 1441 00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:36,730 America and we'll pick between them and 1442 00:51:41,550 --> 00:51:39,040 it'll be there it will be there their 1443 00:51:43,710 --> 00:51:41,560 entire system will be designed based on 1444 00:51:45,660 --> 00:51:43,720 on their requirements and does that fit 1445 00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:45,670 our clean pad or does it fit their 1446 00:51:52,290 --> 00:51:48,310 existing Pat I don't know yet I just 1447 00:51:56,370 --> 00:51:52,300 don't know I'm sorry Krista part with 1448 00:51:58,820 --> 00:51:56,380 NASA space fight com in terms of the RCC 1449 00:52:01,890 --> 00:51:58,830 imagery from the OBS s on this flight 1450 00:52:04,980 --> 00:52:01,900 when exactly did you have all the imager 1451 00:52:07,170 --> 00:52:04,990 you needed to clear the RCC it was it 1452 00:52:08,849 --> 00:52:07,180 after the images were taken of Atlanta 1453 00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:08,859 star in the first dva 1454 00:52:15,539 --> 00:52:11,680 or was it really not until the the final 1455 00:52:18,029 --> 00:52:15,549 inspection let's see it I'll try to 1456 00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:18,039 slice that into into the big picture 1457 00:52:21,930 --> 00:52:20,049 draw with a crayon box says it was after 1458 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:21,940 the late inspection they got all the 1459 00:52:27,690 --> 00:52:23,890 imagery that they are used to having in 1460 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:27,700 order to clear the RCC but even with 1461 00:52:33,210 --> 00:52:31,690 that the ldr eye with a laser dynamic 1462 00:52:35,279 --> 00:52:33,220 ranging instrument that's on the end of 1463 00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:35,289 the boom that gives us that 3d map of 1464 00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:37,839 the of the the sensor or the the RCC 1465 00:52:42,450 --> 00:52:39,849 surface has some limitations and there 1466 00:52:43,890 --> 00:52:42,460 are areas where we are at the edge of 1467 00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:43,900 our detection criteria to say that 1468 00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:45,369 that's a critical damage size that we 1469 00:52:49,319 --> 00:52:47,049 need to pick up and so that systems 1470 00:52:51,450 --> 00:52:49,329 working at the maximum extent of its 1471 00:52:53,819 --> 00:52:51,460 capability so even on a perfect mission 1472 00:52:55,319 --> 00:52:53,829 where everything worked fine when we say 1473 00:52:56,940 --> 00:52:55,329 the RCC is clear there's still a little 1474 00:53:00,450 --> 00:52:56,950 risk there that some things that we 1475 00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:00,460 don't have imaged 100% perfectly and we 1476 00:53:05,099 --> 00:53:03,249 never really could so so it's kind of a 1477 00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:05,109 sliding scale to say when did we have it 1478 00:53:07,859 --> 00:53:06,400 because then the other thing you could 1479 00:53:10,049 --> 00:53:07,869 do is at what point was the risk now 1480 00:53:12,029 --> 00:53:10,059 acceptable to say based on all the other 1481 00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:12,039 assets besides just taking a picture of 1482 00:53:16,410 --> 00:53:14,559 the wing we have all the accelerometers 1483 00:53:19,620 --> 00:53:16,420 in the wing we call it the wing leading 1484 00:53:20,910 --> 00:53:19,630 edge detection system that would ring if 1485 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:20,920 it got hit by something on essent we 1486 00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:22,690 have all the imagery both ground-based 1487 00:53:27,180 --> 00:53:24,910 and on board with the SRB cameras the et 1488 00:53:28,319 --> 00:53:27,190 feed line cameras we have the radar now 1489 00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:28,329 with the debris radar to see if 1490 00:53:32,190 --> 00:53:29,920 something fella so you pull that whole 1491 00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:32,200 suite together and you say did I get hit 1492 00:53:36,509 --> 00:53:33,910 by anything and all of that was telling 1493 00:53:37,890 --> 00:53:36,519 us know so so while after flight day to 1494 00:53:40,829 --> 00:53:37,900 when we didn't quite get perfect 1495 00:53:42,989 --> 00:53:40,839 coverage was the RCC cleared for entry 1496 00:53:44,579 --> 00:53:42,999 as a team no they weren't ready to say 1497 00:53:46,650 --> 00:53:44,589 we've seen enough to say there are no 1498 00:53:48,599 --> 00:53:46,660 damages but as a management team we were 1499 00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:48,609 comfortable to say yep but we are good 1500 00:53:52,289 --> 00:53:50,559 enough to wait and not need to go any 1501 00:53:53,579 --> 00:53:52,299 further with that so it's kind of you 1502 00:53:55,170 --> 00:53:53,589 buy off a little bit as you go you're 1503 00:53:57,479 --> 00:53:55,180 never perfect it's where you know at an 1504 00:53:59,849 --> 00:53:57,489 acceptable level to say I am comfortable 1505 00:54:02,069 --> 00:53:59,859 with what I have the team was probably 1506 00:54:03,930 --> 00:54:02,079 split about 5050 whether we needed more 1507 00:54:06,269 --> 00:54:03,940 imagery or not the more we talked about 1508 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:06,279 it the longer you wait that other stuff 1509 00:54:09,839 --> 00:54:08,410 comes in the SRB film was delayed a day 1510 00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:09,849 due to bad weather we finally got that 1511 00:54:13,380 --> 00:54:11,410 the wing leading edge sensors guys came 1512 00:54:15,029 --> 00:54:13,390 in and showed us some of the testing 1513 00:54:17,130 --> 00:54:15,039 they've been doing recently to help 1514 00:54:18,420 --> 00:54:17,140 validate the the chance of a false 1515 00:54:20,910 --> 00:54:18,430 negative signature you didn't want to 1516 00:54:22,530 --> 00:54:20,920 ever see would it ever not tell you you 1517 00:54:24,030 --> 00:54:22,540 got hit and they did some great testing 1518 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:24,040 show that it the chances of having a 1519 00:54:27,450 --> 00:54:26,410 false negative were almost nil so so we 1520 00:54:29,010 --> 00:54:27,460 knew we could put a lot of confidence in 1521 00:54:30,510 --> 00:54:29,020 that system is that all came together 1522 00:54:32,370 --> 00:54:30,520 the confidence of the team went higher 1523 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:32,380 and higher and so so I'd say we didn't 1524 00:54:35,790 --> 00:54:34,210 official clear RCC until late inspection 1525 00:54:37,770 --> 00:54:35,800 but as a team we were probably mentally 1526 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:37,780 there about about halfway through the 1527 00:54:43,260 --> 00:54:38,890 mission when we looked at all the rest 1528 00:54:46,890 --> 00:54:43,270 of the data Irene Klotz with Reuters 1529 00:54:49,140 --> 00:54:46,900 these are probably both for bill if if 1530 00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:49,150 NASA is operating on the continuing 1531 00:54:54,690 --> 00:54:51,490 resolution without a budget passed for 1532 00:54:57,420 --> 00:54:54,700 the year beginning october one at what 1533 00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,430 point if any does would that start 1534 00:55:05,940 --> 00:54:59,680 impacting what you do with shuttle and 1535 00:55:07,710 --> 00:55:05,950 kind of station completion it depends we 1536 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:07,720 need the specifics of what the 1537 00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:09,970 continuing resolution means right are we 1538 00:55:16,050 --> 00:55:12,730 held at ten budget levels are we given 1539 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:16,060 the president's proposed budget levels 1540 00:55:20,030 --> 00:55:18,010 or we given something in between so it 1541 00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:20,040 depends what budget levels were given 1542 00:55:25,020 --> 00:55:22,480 where it starts impact meanest from a 1543 00:55:27,330 --> 00:55:25,030 overall manifest standpoint so again our 1544 00:55:30,420 --> 00:55:27,340 job is to kind of analyze those cases 1545 00:55:32,130 --> 00:55:30,430 and then let the budget folks know where 1546 00:55:34,140 --> 00:55:32,140 those cases are so then hopefully they 1547 00:55:35,850 --> 00:55:34,150 can craft a budget that lets us keep 1548 00:55:38,910 --> 00:55:35,860 doing what we need to keep doing but 1549 00:55:41,470 --> 00:55:38,920 it's pretty this is pretty typical 1550 00:55:45,370 --> 00:55:41,480 budget cycle as we go through the fiscal 1551 00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:45,380 year change and another money question 1552 00:55:50,620 --> 00:55:48,170 on the it's you sound like really good 1553 00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,630 neighbors with SpaceX but are they going 1554 00:55:54,910 --> 00:55:52,640 to be reimbursing the government for the 1555 00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:54,920 use of these assets that you're making 1556 00:56:00,099 --> 00:55:57,200 available yeah we have a SpaceX 1557 00:56:01,780 --> 00:56:00,109 agreement signed with them and theirs so 1558 00:56:03,550 --> 00:56:01,790 it's a marginal cost we provide you 1559 00:56:05,410 --> 00:56:03,560 they're not building the ship we did 1560 00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:05,420 that but the fuel and the food and all 1561 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:08,930 the stuff they do pay for that ok thnks 1562 00:56:18,670 --> 00:56:15,770 ever get last question yes one final 1563 00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:18,680 question for me which I should probably 1564 00:56:25,089 --> 00:56:21,920 ask your buses to better not here but 1565 00:56:29,970 --> 00:56:25,099 anyway and I'm not trying to get into 1566 00:56:34,270 --> 00:56:29,980 demagoguery here but talking of a gap ok 1567 00:56:38,290 --> 00:56:34,280 The Wall Street crooks got the trillions 1568 00:56:44,589 --> 00:56:38,300 and NASA's budget is one-tenth of what 1569 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:44,599 it was in the mid-60s I mean spaceflight 1570 00:56:50,890 --> 00:56:48,890 is a status symbol and and also ameri 1571 00:56:55,900 --> 00:56:50,900 obviously that makes America stand out 1572 00:57:00,370 --> 00:56:55,910 so without it or by outsourcing launches 1573 00:57:05,099 --> 00:57:00,380 or not having a u.s. spacecraft with 1574 00:57:11,020 --> 00:57:05,109 people aboard is going to make the 1575 00:57:13,950 --> 00:57:11,030 United States looked like it's not as as 1576 00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:13,960 powerful as it was in the sixties and 1577 00:57:20,980 --> 00:57:17,599 I'm wondering if I mean obviously just 1578 00:57:23,290 --> 00:57:20,990 your thought as I said in you I said I 1579 00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:23,300 said it should have been your bosses or 1580 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:26,569 the boss of your bosses should be 1581 00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:28,730 talking to but I was wondering if you 1582 00:57:33,940 --> 00:57:33,170 have any opinions that's how sacred I'm 1583 00:57:36,780 --> 00:57:33,950 not sure who's going to want to 1584 00:57:39,620 --> 00:57:36,790 volunteer to jump under the bus 1585 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:39,630 but you personally apparently me 1586 00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:42,490 personally I'd love to see us spend more 1587 00:57:45,570 --> 00:57:44,290 you know half a percent of the budget is 1588 00:57:48,030 --> 00:57:45,580 what we spent now I'd love to see that 1589 00:57:49,410 --> 00:57:48,040 double to triple door heck I'd love to 1590 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:49,420 just be able to spend what they what 1591 00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:50,890 they make in box office earnings off of 1592 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:52,720 some of the major motion pictures but 1593 00:57:57,810 --> 00:57:55,690 the reality is that's not happening you 1594 00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:57,820 know everybody sitting up here everybody 1595 00:58:01,140 --> 00:57:59,200 you'll talk to as you walk around the 1596 00:58:02,820 --> 00:58:01,150 center not only pays their taxes and 1597 00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:02,830 dedicates that to the space program but 1598 00:58:06,450 --> 00:58:04,510 they they dedicate their lives to that 1599 00:58:08,070 --> 00:58:06,460 the space program as well so you're 1600 00:58:09,690 --> 00:58:08,080 talking to an audience who could give 1601 00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:09,700 you probably know answer other than yes 1602 00:58:14,460 --> 00:58:12,400 please let us do more we will show you a 1603 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:14,470 whole bunch of a really cool stuff and 1604 00:58:19,170 --> 00:58:17,290 and inspired the generations to come to 1605 00:58:21,180 --> 00:58:19,180 go into into science and technology in 1606 00:58:23,850 --> 00:58:21,190 math you know everybody talks about 1607 00:58:26,250 --> 00:58:23,860 spin-offs from NASA you did the Apollo 1608 00:58:27,660 --> 00:58:26,260 program invent Tang doesn't really 1609 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:27,670 matter whether that answer is yes or no 1610 00:58:32,340 --> 00:58:30,010 what it did was spur a culture of of 1611 00:58:34,140 --> 00:58:32,350 science and learning and education it's 1612 00:58:36,060 --> 00:58:34,150 it's an inspiration thing to have a goal 1613 00:58:37,380 --> 00:58:36,070 so from that standpoint I'd love to see 1614 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:37,390 us continue because when I look at my 1615 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:39,970 kids I wonder what to inspire them this 1616 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:42,010 is what brought me along that's not to 1617 00:58:46,650 --> 00:58:45,010 say that redesigning a better tractor is 1618 00:58:47,850 --> 00:58:46,660 what's going to inspire my kids and so 1619 00:58:50,730 --> 00:58:47,860 that's a great thing when I spend more 1620 00:58:51,930 --> 00:58:50,740 money on agriculture so it I can give 1621 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:51,940 you an answer it but from a space 1622 00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:53,290 program you're not going to find any of 1623 00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:54,640 us that work here who aren't die hard 1624 00:58:57,810 --> 00:58:56,290 and space enthusiasts so yeah I'd say 1625 00:58:59,730 --> 00:58:57,820 we'd all love to see more budget but 1626 00:59:04,980 --> 00:58:59,740 then again I could say that about my 1627 00:59:07,140 --> 00:59:04,990 personal life too so I think the only 1628 00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:07,150 thing I'd add is it that you know we're 1629 00:59:12,530 --> 00:59:09,280 tremendously blessed to get to do what 1630 00:59:15,810 --> 00:59:12,540 we get to go do I mean all this up here 1631 00:59:21,660 --> 00:59:15,820 this is as much of a passion for us as 1632 00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:21,670 it is a profession and I we may we all 1633 00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:24,490 want more as Mike said right but I look 1634 00:59:29,370 --> 00:59:26,770 at what we've got and I am very thankful 1635 00:59:31,740 --> 00:59:29,380 for what we have I'm thankful to work 1636 00:59:33,930 --> 00:59:31,750 with this team I can't think of any 1637 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:33,940 individuals I would rather spend my 1638 00:59:39,210 --> 00:59:36,490 hours with than the folks I work with in 1639 00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:39,220 this business there are no more sounder 1640 00:59:42,990 --> 00:59:41,200 professionals in the world will take 1641 00:59:44,850 --> 00:59:43,000 what we're given and we will implement 1642 00:59:45,029 --> 00:59:44,860 the absolute best program that we can 1643 00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:45,039 have 1644 00:59:51,779 --> 00:59:50,049 remember with what we're given okay and 1645 00:59:54,419 --> 00:59:51,789 I guess just fall on the tank question 1646 00:59:57,870 --> 00:59:54,429 the answer's no I'm just clarification 1647 00:59:59,189 --> 00:59:57,880 say thank you that's a last question and 1648 01:00:01,319 --> 00:59:59,199 our next briefing will be with the 1649 01:00:03,569 --> 01:00:01,329 astronauts from Atlantis is sts-132 1650 01:00:06,809 --> 01:00:03,579 mission that crew news conference will 1651 01:00:08,489 --> 01:00:06,819 start approximately 2 30 or 2 45 p.m. 1652 01:00:10,199 --> 01:00:08,499 eastern time before the exact start time 1653 01:00:11,729 --> 01:00:10,209 please stay with NASA television will 1654 01:00:13,679 --> 01:00:11,739 put up a graphic as soon as we find out 1655 01:00:15,269 --> 01:00:13,689 and we know the crew is available in the 1656 01:00:19,620 --> 01:00:15,279 meantime for more information about the